Prevent another Holocaust?

I have already broken down the numbers killed in the camps individually in a previous post, the appx. 6 million figures would, also, include the rear actions of the Einsatzgrupen in which nearly 1 million Jews were shot, hung, or killed in gas vans, it would likewise include all those who died of disease, neglect, intentional starvation, and exhaustion due to forced labor in the various concentration slave labor/prison camps outside of the 6 actual extermination camps of Treblinka, Auschwitz, Sobibor, Belzec, Majdanek, and Chelmno, all of those are included in the systematic extermination of 6 million Jews and the 6 million non-Jewish civilians who died in the same manner.

Furthermore; who said that I am Jewish?

 

Jibberish, unlikely jewish.
Only rarely have I come across totally annoying jewish ppl.
I think youre probably jewishish, talk to a rabbi.

 

For black power Khazar conspiracy theory loving anti-Semites I'm sure facts are VERY annoying things, are you like wise a holocaust denier as well?

 

haha funneye, lets play, dont bother about whether I deny europeans killing europeans, it matters not, they are warmongering barbarians, karma will have the last word, sux huh.

 

Numerous genetic studies have PROVEN with SCIENCE that the vast majority of Jews can trace their lineage directly to the neolithic Levant. (80% of males and 50% of females) the preaching of the black Israelite cults are a fiction based on nothing but anti-Semitism and idiocy.

 

um, ALL humans originated in Africa, buddy.

plus the fact that the four-founders theory is crap as the genes of the four founders split off thousands of years before the Isaelites came to Canaan.

 

Its so simple, No Marxists, socialists, collectivists - no genocide events.

 

I realize that, he is a Khazar conspiracy theorist, and the Khazar origin has been debunked by numerous genetic studies, the vast majority of Jews can trace their genetic lineage directly to the neolithic Levant and not to middle ages Khazaria.

Jews are the descendents of the Canaanites, they didn't conquer/kill them, they are them, as the archaeological record clearly shows, the bible is a fictional narrative not a history book; furthermore, the neolithic Levantine gene pool from which the vast majority of Jews derive was a core population in the tens of thousands.

 

the haplotype known as the "Jewish haplotype" is common amoung many Mediteranean peoples, including Italians, Kurds, Turks, Assyrians, Cyrpriotes, Berbers, Greeks.

it is NOT unique to Palestine. It is NOT proof of Jewish ancestry in Palestine.

btw, recent research has brought more weight to the idea of a sizeable Kazar infusion into Ashkenazi communities.

 

the "Kohain" haplotype is common amoung many mediteranean peoples.

but especially amonst Chechens, who may be descended from Kazars or neighboring peoples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)#Caucasus

 

I love it when semites, neo semites, neer' do well semites and anti semites talk blood.

 

Sorry but Elhaik has been thoroughly debunked EG there were two studies conducted at nearly the same exact time as his proving conclusively the Levantine origin of the majority of modern Jews:


1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103.

The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. “All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

The concept of the “Jewish people” remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims —except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own ‘right of return’.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February.

While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonenti...l-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

Further down in the same article, Haaretz at least mentions that there is another side to what genetics tell us about the origins of European Jews. It refers to the work of Professor Harry Ostrer, who is the author of "The Genetic History of the Jews," a new book also published this year by Oxford University Press. Looking at his credentials, his work should have been at the top of the story. Ostrer served as the director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, where he worked for more than two decades. Today he is head of genetic testing at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Unlike Elhaik, he does not accept the argument that European Jewry comes from Central Asia but rather he says that Jews around the world can trace their genetic history to the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=3131

Ostrer, Harry. Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, Oxford University Press, 2012 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RayZR3V1SFwC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes


...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East


Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event


DNA Evidence

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]


Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery

 

Many Jews of the diaspora emigrated to the Kingdom of Khazaria due to its religious tolerance, perhaps the haplogroup being common amongst Chechens means that they share genetic admixture with Jews rather than the other way around.

 

These last two posts are as extraordinarily fascinating as they are utterly irrelevant. Judaism, last time I checked, is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing RELIGION fer Crissakes, NOT a race, and Christianity, by any definition of what a religion and a branch or sect of that religion is, is part of it. We. Are. ALL. Jews. (at least those of us that are Christian)

The only part of Holocaust Denial that has any iota of truth to it is that the Nazis did not kill 6 million people for RACIAL reasons. They killed 13 million for no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing reason whatsoever, for the hell of it, because they liked killing men, women and children and probably jerked off thinking of how millions of human beings who had never done them any harm all died in agony at their behest. That makes it BETTER???

 

It does give "proper respect" to non-jewish victims in its educational and research materials as well as the hall of the righteous.

It is a jewish museum dealing with the holocaust as it relates to Jews. Does the museum in hiroshima pay tribute to all the dead is russia?

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damn stupid argument if you ask me.

 

You miss the point, it isn't about Jews. Any group could be targeted, and though historically Jews had to deal with pogroms and the like they are unlikely to be targeted again for mass-slaughter, that era is over. Given the degree of widespread acceptance of state terrorism on a huge scale (ie Hiroshima/Nagasaki) it will likely happen again to some other group.

 

Thats not true, Hitler wanted the "Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt" select the Poles who were of German origin and racially to be seen as "Aryans", exterminate the Polish people and wanted Poland to make a museum country. Truth is that Jews established a worldwide victim hierarchy, as they denied non Jewish NS-victims to be included in the Holocuats memmorial in Berlin e.g.

 

well since nothing I said is not true I am not sure what youa re saying here.

 

Hmmmm...no.

 

the Nazis killed more than 5 million Jews for pseudo-racial reasons.

they falsely believed that the Jews were an inferior race that had to be exterminated.

 

You wanted to present us the uniqueness of what happened to the Jewish people and claimed that Hitler wanted to make Judasim a museum religion. You claimed he did not want that with the Polish people. In fact he did.