In other words it means abiding by the forum rules 5. TROLLING OR DERAILING A DISCUSSION If you don't want to discuss the topic, stay out of the thread. Posts that are, in the judgment of moderators or administrators, intended to disrupt a discussion rather than actually contribute to it will be considered trolling. http://www.politicalforum.com/rules.php I humbly answer I would as long as you were underneath me as I landed. - - - Updated - - - Thank you.
And irrelevant to abortion anyway. You know you shouldn't ask difficult questions Cady. Oh they know what it really is, they just choose to ignore it.
Funny isn't it, here is a thread that pro-lifers can put forward any and all their so called evidence of Sanger being a racist and that PP are still engaged in a plan to decimate the black population and yet not one of them has actually done so, content they are instead to derail other topics. come on pro-lifers are you not 100% sure in your assertions, let us see them.
Still waiting for all those who claim things about Sanger to stop derailing other threads and actually put their evidence here in a thread specifically about Sanger .. seems they are happy just to continue being off topic instead.
Those aren't her words. "wrote Dean Inge, " That may a bit of an indicator. Glad you singled that one out so I didn't have to pick it out of the other huge list. Sanger was a Eugenist,racist,and provided a way to curb the "Negro" population.
In this era use of the term "Negro" is racist. Anyone who uses that word currently owes everyone an apology.
Sanger is the author, even though she quoted Inge. Sanger might have had some eugenist views, but it was the prevailing culture of the time. http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/12/disabled-america-immigration Quotes attributed to Sanger have been fabricated, distorted and taken out of context. She helped ALL women learn how to control their fertility. Black women begged her to help them, and it would have been racist if she hadn't.
How someone can assert that the founder of an organization whose main thing is abortion was "pro-life" is beyond me. It truly is mind-boggling. I suppose the scales will not fall off their eyes, though.
I can assert it because it's true. Sanger was opposed to abortion, that's well documented. She died in 1966 before abortion was legalized in 1973. Understand now? Oh, and abortion is NOT Planned Parenthood's "main thing." It's only 3% of the services offered. Sanger's main thing was birth control. Have you benefitted from birth control being legal? If so, you have Margaret Sanger to thank for it. It was her life's work to give women that right.
Yes they are her words. I guess you didn't bother to click on the links provided. Sanger was a supporter of Eugenics, she was not racist and she did not provide a way to curb the 'Negro' population
Think about this: Martin Luther King, Jr. called his Margaret Sanger Award his most cherished possession. But what would he know, eh?
sigh, Sanger was the author, she wrote those words down ergo they are her words, she may have quoted Inge that does not change the fact that she wrote down the words. BTW you didn't supply a source, furthermore the comment you originally replied to was one about Sangers documented pro-life stance against abortion, the single line quote of Inge does not change what Sanger wrote after as follows; The real alternative to birth control is abortion, wrote Dean Inge, in his article already quoted. It is an alternative that I cannot too strongly condemn. Although abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the mother, the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is dangerous and vicious. I bring up the subject here only because some ill-informed persons have the notion that when we speak of birth control we include abortion as a method. We certainly do not. Abortion destroys the already fertilized ovum or the embryo; contraception, as I have carefully explained, prevents the fertilizing of the ovum by keeping the male cells away. Thus it prevents the beginning of life. everything highlighted are her words and hers alone.
nope it is not, it depends on the context of it's usage. If someone were to say "you f***ing, b***k, b*****d Ne**o", then the context of the word "Negro" in that sentence would be racist. If someone were to say "that man over there is a Negro", it is not racist, it is a factual statement. Negro - (n) A member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara. - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Negro - - - Updated - - - Not only an assertion but a documented fact, and neither is PP's "main thing" abortion. It is truly mind boggling that pro-lifers deny the documented facts of this.
There is a striking kinship between [the Civil Rights] movement and Margaret Sangers early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her. -Martin Luther King, Jr.
already answered. She considered the fears of African-Americans that the Negro project was being set up to exterminate their population as ignorant and superstitious which s plainly seen in the full quote instead of the cherry picked, misrepresentation used by pro-lifers. - http://www.smithlibraries.org/digital/files/original/d6358bc3053c93183295bf2df1c0c931.pdf ergo she did not call African-Americans ignorant and superstitious, she said their fears were. no different to saying that a person fears of sailing of the edge of the world are ignorant and superstitious as they are not based on facts, neither was the fear and superstitions of the African-American that the Negro project was an attempt to exterminate them based on facts.
I don't agree. This is the relevant quote from the letter to Gamble in December 10, 1939: "Miss Rose sent me a copy of your letter of December 5th and I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us. The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Ms. Sanger wrote based on her actual experience with African Americans in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas. Her actual experience means she is relying on empiricism in concluding that African Americans are ignorant, superstitious, and doubtful. That much is clear. Moreover, Margaret Sanger made no effort to limit her characterization by saying some of them, or partt of the African American community. She included the entire community in her characterization. She failed to perceive that it was her privileged whiteness and condescension which caused African Americans to be reticent with her. Sanger's well intentioned racism is further demonstrated by her reference to bringing in African American ministers to quell objections by "their more rebellious members." Margaret Sanger was a product of her times, and was a Progressive in a movement born in the racism of Woodrow Wilson. Her words give her away.
You are aware that large segments of the African American populace consider the word "Negro" to be a Jim Crow era term that is deeply offensive among all African Americans. That's why black people experimented with the term Afro American before deciding on the term African American. Since you know that the word in question is hurtful to millions of African Americans you should realize the word cannot be used without provoking a reaction. This situation is analogous to going to San Francisco and calling people "Chinaman." Huge segments of the Chinese community see that word as deeply racist and dehumanizing. They are hurt by its use and deeply resent it. Reference to a dictionary does not convey the visceral revulsion experienced by an African American upon being called a "Negro," with all of the degrading connotations the term contains. Simply put, why hurt anyone by using hurtful terms when it is very easy to avoid the harm by using terms that the entire community finds acceptable? There is no reason to do so because nothing is gained by doing so.
well there is a surprise Yes the relevant full quotation where it is plain to see that she was addressing their fears, calling their fears ignorant and superstitious, not the people themselves. "lay their cards on the table" .. do you know what that means, it means to be honest about your feelings and intentions, ergo by using black doctors etc the black population would feel far more likely to be honest about their feelings concerning the Negro project than they would with white doctors, they would also be far more likely to believe a black doctor telling them the Negro project was not about decimating them than they would a white doctor. The same applies for the idea of using black ministers. Sanger considered the doubts and fears of the black population to be ignorant and superstitious, not the people themselves. Rubbish, her experience showed her that no matter what a white person said the black population would be less likely to believe them, as they based their doubts on their own experiences with mostly racist whites. They were ignorant of the fact that the Negro project was designed to help them, they were superstitious ie an excessively credulous belief that the project was to decimate their population, they were embedded in the ideology that white people would never do anything to help them. She based her words on those she had met and dealt with, and if anything she is guilty of simple generalization, nothing more, and as far as the ministers quote is concerned the answer is exactly the same as for the doctors. Sanger knew that no matter what the black population would not believe a white doctor or minister, but they would believe a black doctor or minister. Her comment is based to refute the idea that the Negro project was anything other than an attempt to help black people, and just as you are wrongly attempting to get the word out that Sanger was racist and as such needs someone to "straighten out that idea" Her words do nothing but show that you are just seeking confirmation bias.
"Chinaman" is not a designation of a race, "Negro" is. Negro - A member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara. The usage of the word Negro was common place up until the 1970's, so nothing to do with Jim Crow laws. "China man" is defined as an offensive term, "Negro" is not. "Negro" was used on US Census forms until 2013. "China man", is not and never has been used. By your (so called) logic Caucasian is an offensive term. The word itself is not offensive, it is the context of how the word is used that is relevant. You must also be aware that large sections of the black population do not consider the word "Negro" to be racist, unless the context of it's usage within the sentence etc is in itself racist. If as you attest that the word is racist, then report my comment(s) where I use that word in a racist manner (in your opinion that is), IF it is being used in a racist manner then I am sure the MOD's will edit it and advise me against using it .. until then I will continue to use the word "Negro" in the way I see fit. simply put, your erroneous opinion on the usage of that word has no relevance . where the word can be used without any racist context I will use it if I choose to.
