Pro-life Margaret Sanger Vs Reality

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

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    That's pure supposition. Margaret Sanger's word were as follows:

    "It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts.

    You're trying to defend Sanger by creating an artificial separation of body and mind. That is mere supposition.



    Did Sanger ever refer to whites as ignorant, superstitious, and doubting? Where?



    That's nothing more than rhetoric designed to pretend that what Sanger wrote to Gamble meant something other than the plain meaning of her words.
     
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    Both are offensive terms referring to specifically identifiable groups.

    Those African Americans who don't perceive the word Negro as offensive lived during the era of Jim Crow when it was an improvement. But in the Civil Rights Era and afterwards the term Negro was rejected by the overwhelming majority of African Americans.

    "During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some black American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word Negro because they associated it with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.[4] Malcolm X preferred Black to Negro, but also started using the term Afro-American after leaving the Nation of Islam.[5]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

    Read more Malcolm X.

    I don't report anyone. Reporting people is a chicken (*)(*)(*)(*) thing to do. I will simply remind you how hurtful your words are, and demand an apology to the forum members.



    You do so in the knowledge you are inflicting pain on others when you could simply identify them in the manner they prefer. That's unethical.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1920's Negro women WERE generally uneducated, superstitious, and had doubts. That's why Sanger was trying to educate them. You're missing the bigger picture here. The sentence shows that she wanted them to be comfortable with educators they felt at ease with. That's hardly racist.

    Speaking of her experience with a KKK women's auxiliary group, Sanger said, "...my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand."
     
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    Good post......

    My GF was born in 1888 and he used to counsel us to marry "strong stock" and he also spoke of hybrid vigor....... Having healthy babies and healthy mothers was what Sanger was about.
     
  6. Albert Di Salvo

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    One can be altruistic and racist at the same time. Sanger was involved with known racists on a professional basis, and spoke to an avowed racist group. Then there is this:

    "Sanger's writings echoed her ideas about inferiority and loose morals of particular races. In one "What Every Girl Should Know" commentary, she references popular opinion that Aboriginal Australians were "just a step higher than the chimpanzee" with "little sexual control," as compared to the "normal man and Woman." Elsewhere she bemoaned that traditional sexual ethics "... have in the past revealed their woeful inability to prevent the sexual and racial chaos into which the world has today drifted."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger


    Sanger received a warm response for her speech to the KKK. What did she say to them that brought them to their feet? Did she compare African Americans to Aboriginal Australians who lack sexual control?
     
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    Makes you wonder why Martin Luther King said his Margaret Sanger Award was one of his most cherished possessions.
     
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    """Speaking of her experience with a KKK women's auxiliary group, Sanger said, "...my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand." """


    How many black people do you suppose attended a KKK rally?

    Sanger didn't know what the group was until she got there and had to alter her speech......but don't read about it, the truth will hurt.
     
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    She spoke to Klanswomen about birth control, because she wanted all women to have knowledge of it. That doesn't mean she agreed with the Klanswomen's racist views.

    An obviously biased excerpt.

    That's the writer's opinion.

    "She references popular opinion" means it is the opinion of others, not necessarily her own. Really, it shows desperation to use her writings about Aborigines' sexual control, taken out of context, to prove racism.

    What makes you think she got a standing ovation?
     
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    He probably saw that photoshopped picture.
     
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    You just have to feel sorry for someone so gullible as to believe this is an authentic photo:

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    I've run into heaps of them. So many on the right are some of the most gullible people I've ever seen.
     
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    and yours is nothing more than out of context misrepresentation, something you do often, In context, it's apparent that such characterization of her work was common -- and untrue. Then as now, and for you to claim supposition against me is the kettle calling the pot black, everything you write is based on supposition.

    rubbish, that is just your supposition.

    So what if she didn't use those words in relation to whites, there are plenty of her words that certainly imply she thought all races were ignorant, superstitious and doubting of birth control.

    No that is the truth and confirmed by numerous historians who have studied her. The point being that Sanger was challenged at every level about birth control, that religious leaders, and politicians spread false accusations as to what birth control was about, and as such she wanted to stop these false accusation before they became fixed and she knew that the best people to do that were black doctors and ministers due to the inherent distrust the black population had of white people.

    To simply cherry pick portions of quotes in order to support your confirmation bias is not only disingenuous but bordering on dishonesty.
     
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    no they are not, "Negro" is as defined, you just choose to think differently.

    Negro - a member of a race of humankind native to Africa and classified according to physical features (as dark skin pigmentation), it can be seen SOMETIMES as being racist, and that depends on the context of it's usage. - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/negro

    "Chinaman" is and never has been a designation of a race.

    Absolute rubbish, the word "Negro" is not in itself an offensive word, it is what context it is used that can make it offensive.

    Strange thing is you are the ONLY one who is blabbering on about it.

    I do so in the knowledge that used in the correct context the word has no offensive meaning, and if as you advocate that the word in itself is offensive you had better inform UNCF (United Negro College Fund) to change their name.
     
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    Do the people who run the United Negro College Fund know about this?

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know...
     
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    Link?

    MLK, Jr. died before the concept of "disparate impact" was conceived.

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    They have too much invested in their proprietary rights.
     
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    Do you doubt me?

    [​IMG] Originally Posted by Paperview [​IMG]
    Makes you wonder why Martin Luther King said his Margaret Sanger Award was one of his most cherished possessions.?


    You're strange.
     
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    Why was Sanger so warmly received by a racist group?


    I wonder if Sanger spoke to the KKK about the use of eugenics to eliminate inferiors and the unfit?

    Can you provide me with a link to the text of the Sanger speech to the KKK please?
     
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    People tend to read into things what they want to believe.. I have never seen any indication that she was racist.. Seems like she was pretty focused on women's health and the health of poor women in particular regardless of race... and, poor women tended to be ignorant and superstitious. Goes with the territory.
     
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    Why would she address a group of people she knew were racist?

    How do you know?



    If that's what you believe why don't you contribute to Wikipedia by authoring a correction?



    You haven't rebutted her use of a racially demeaning reference to a nonwhite group.



    After Sanger spoke to the racist KKK group she received invitations to address other KKK chapters.

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    How do you know?

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    I didn't mention the depiction in the alleged photograph.
     
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    You've got some catching up to do.
     
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    If she did address a racist group, it was because they needed family planning information and contraception too....
     
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    Professor Emerita Angela Davis of the University of California at Santa Cruz uses the quote to support the assertion that Sanger intended to exterminate the African American population.

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    Thanks for your opinion.

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    How do you know? Have you seen the text of Sanger's speech to the KKK?

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    I'm heading back to a discussion of the Iran Deal. I'll see you folks after I finish up there for the evening.
     
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    So post Sanger's speech to the KKK..... We'll wait.
     
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    link please.

    You do also know I assume that in a letter written in 1939 to Sidney Lassell, she rejected any definition of "unfit" as related to reproduction based on race or religion.
     

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