Putin is on a mission

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    What a load of old cobblers.
     
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    NATO has several really big nations, which disobey or do not respect it. This helps to keep peace on Earth.
     
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    With the US reduced to isolationism, NATO is a Chihuahua that can't find its dentures.
     
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    Sooner or later it will happen .Even now goverment developing the project to reject usd and use ruble as main currency in trade of our ,russian oil.
     
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    Russians east and west of today's Ukrainian border must unite, there no wall there, separating them, but these people are as much the same as Germans were on both sides of infamous Berlin wall. Only current events convinced me that NATO was created not just for keeping communism from spreading, it was created against Russia, no matter what kind of social system was in this country. Weaponry and expansion are favorite fun of NATO bureaucracy. At this time, they hit the rock.
     
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    How many more have to make a confessions, our President, that the West had realized the sincerity of Russian intentions?

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree on the rehabilitation of the people of Crimea suffered during Stalin's repressions.
    According to the president, the document spelled measure socio-economic reconstruction of some areas that "in recent years, we can say decades, were virtually abandoned and legally not decorated, and in social terms is not developed, only degraded."
     
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    The invasion of Ukraine has already begun.

    there are today Russian military personnel in eastern Ukraine.
     
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    Please Show us the evidence
     
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    I am well familiar with that part of the world and this allowed me to see ignorance and lies spread by corporate media in America and by some posters in this forum. I have friends and some relatives there. Today, I was reading MSNBC article about "infiltration of militants" in eastern Ukraine. Why so many women in civilian clothes among those people around barricades protesting Maidan nationalists? Why Russians send a bunch of old women to infiltrate that region? These are simply local people who does not want to obey self appointed Maidan government. I hope they will not give up. They should be given a priority in their home country.
     
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    Fully agree with this statement.

    Yes, of course!

    Lord Ismay was not talking about "Nazis" or "Soviets", he was talking about Germans and Russians.

    According to Lord Ismay Nato was created "To keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down."

    That was said before 1957!

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hastings_Ismay
     
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    the US State Dept. has posted the evidence.

    military personnel that were active in Crimea's "revolution" are now active in eastern ukraine.
     
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    Just like they posted "evidence" that Assad used chemical weapons. Just like they posted "evidence" that Saddam had WMDs? Just like they posted "evidence" that Putin had amassed 40,000 troops on the border?
     
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    Assad did use chemical weapons.

    Most of Europe believed that Saddam had WMDs.
     
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    No and no.
     
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    The Downing Street memo, a record of a meeting in July 2002, reveals that Sir Richard Dearlove, director of the UK’s foreign intelligence service MI6, told Blair that in Washington “Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”(9) The foreign secretary (Jack Straw) then told Mr Blair that “the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.” He suggested that “we should work up a plan” to produce “legal justification for the use of force.” The Attorney-General told the prime minister that there were only “three possible legal bases” for launching a war: “self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC [Security Council] authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case.” Bush and Blair failed to obtain Security Council authorisation.

    This short memo, which should be learnt by heart by every citizen of the United Kingdom, reveals that Blair knew that the decision to attack Iraq had already been made; that it preceded the justification, which was being retrofitted to an act of aggression; that the only legal reasons for an attack didn’t apply, and that the war couldn’t be launched without UN authorisation.

    http://www.monbiot.com/2009/10/26/arresting-blair/

    .....how about a report on Syria's August 21, 2013 gas attacks by two authentically credible figures like Richard Lloyd and Theodore Postol?

    Lloyd is a former United Nations weapons inspector who in two decades at Raytheon, a top military contractor, wrote two books on warhead design. He has written a critique of the Israeli Iron Dome anti-missile system for engineers and weapons designers. In March 2013, the New York Times noted that Lloyd 'has the credentials for a critique'.

    Postol is a professor and national security expert in MIT's Program in Science, Technology and Society. In 1995 he received the Hilliard Roderick Prize from the American Association for the Advancement of Science and in 2001 he received the Norbert Wiener Award from Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility 'for uncovering numerous and important false claims about missile defenses'. Postol has a proven track record in, for example, debunking Pentagon claims on the success of its Patriot missile system.

    In September 2013, the New York Times described Lloyd and Postol as 'leading weapons experts'.

    Their January 14 report titled, 'Possible Implications of Faulty U.S. Technical Intelligence,' examines US government claims regarding the August 21 chemical weapons attacks in Damascus. The report finds that the range of the rocket that delivered sarin in the largest attack that night was too short for the device to have been fired from Syrian government positions, as claimed by the Obama administration.

    Using mathematical projections about the likely force of the rocket – which has been variously described as 'a trash can on a stick' and 'a soup can' – Lloyd and Postol conclude that the device likely had a maximum range of 2 kilometres, or just more than 1.2 miles. The 'trash can' was not capable of flying the 6 miles from the centre of the Syrian government-controlled part of Damascus to the point of impact in the suburbs, as claimed by the US government, nor even the 3.6 miles from the edges of government-controlled territory. Lloyd and Postol comment in their report:

    'This indicates that these munitions could not possibly have been fired at east Ghouta from the "heart" or the eastern edge of the Syrian Government controlled area depicted in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.

    'This faulty intelligence could have led to an unjustified US military action based on false intelligence.

    'A proper vetting of the fact that the munition was of such short range would have led to a completely different assessment of the situation from the gathered data.'

    Postol adds:

    'I honestly have no idea what happened. My view when I started this process was that it couldn't be anything but the Syrian government behind the attack. But now I'm not sure of anything. The administration narrative was not even close to reality. Our intelligence cannot possibly be correct.'

    Lloyd, who has carefully studied weapons capabilities in the Syrian conflict, rejects the claim that rebels are less capable of making these rockets than the Syrian military:

    'The Syrian rebels most definitely have the ability to make these weapons. I think they might have more ability than the Syrian government.'

    Lloyd and Postol have made clear that they are not arguing that the rebels were behind the attack, but instead pointing to the flawed assessments behind US claims.

    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/...lity-filtering-sources-on-the-syrian-war.html
     
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    Our president Bush (the Chimp) with his CIA wizards managed to convince Americans and most of Europe that Saddam had WMD. I learned the hard way, how much lies and misinformation is spewed by corporate media. I really believed them for too long time until they hit those Ukraine - Russia problems. In this case, I had my own information beforehand to see those lies.
     

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