Racism only wrong by Whites & racism only right against Whites?

It was my mistake. I mean what the hell was I thinking trying to make a moral argument against white racial thinking anyway????? Surprised I haven't been cut down for it yet.

"What is wrong with racism if the fruits of racism are better than the fruits of diversity?"

The fruits of racism are better for a tiny population of the planet. That's it. The rest of the planet gets exploited for its resources and their societies get turned into true live hell holes after this particular kiss of death.

 

You're argument was that veteran's preference was affirmative action for white men. I don't think you've made that case.

 

Those colonists went to go be with Blacks,and Natives, to oppress them for greed.

How anyone could come to the conclusion that's a racism issue, as opposed to a greed issue?

 

How does having an all white society in Europe affect African resources?

 

Multiculturalism, and colonialism are both bad, and both are 2 sides of the same greedy coin.

The same kind of people who imported Black slaves for profits to the U.S.A, are the same kind of people who import illegal Hispanics for profits to the U.S.A.

It's all about maximizing the elites profits, off of the backs of cheap labor.

 

Not exactly. My exact words were "Many White men get AA through veterans status AA," not that the preference was for specifically for them.

I was just countering the idea that the government discriminated against white men with policies like AA. It just so happens that white men benefit greatly from federal laws for veterans.

 

While it really is greed, racism just so happens to be a superb conquering tool of the greedy. Without racism a lot of imperialism would have fell already imho.

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I will only answer this question if you are asking seriously. I find it difficult to believe you don't know already.

 

Egalitarian Communists don't have such a good track record on imperialism either though.

 

Probably because Imperialism is the tool of the Arch-Capitalists and not really the Communists.

 

Soviets invaded Georgia, and Ukraine nearly at it's founding,and Communist China invaded Tibet nearly at it's founding.

 

Weren't these more military and expansionist campaigns? Not sure these were imperial moves at all...

Now the Western European moves were textbook imperial.

 

White men do not enjoy any Veteran's preference as a result of being...white men, so it's a totally specious remark.

I don't think affirmative action is exactly discrimination against white men, although if they are the only ones excluded from it because they're white men, I think there is a good argument for that. But I think in the post 2044 era, where non hispanic whites are a minority, it would be hard to make an intellectual argument that everyone else gets affirmative action except for white men. That would be a de facto Jim Crow against white men.

 

AA discriminates against whites in favor of blacks and Hispanics. Non-veteran whites are unfairly disadvantaged by AA regardless of white veterans supposedly benefitting.

 

Racism is wrong and stupid no matter who it's coming from.

But in this country, it was white people who were responsible for the awful things done to others, many times backed by the law. It's no surprise why their is a backlash against white folks in general, even if it is still stupid and wrong. This was the path our ancestors put us on when they allowed legal slavery, and then legal discrimination. That doesn't just go away overnight. If there are still people who get a chubby over the Confederacy and pay homage to it, and wish for it's return, should we really be that surprised that there are folks who feel that because of racist policies and social practices(some which are still in living memory) that they need to keep pushing back?

It doesn't make it okay, it doesn't make the violence warranted, and it doesn't excuse racism from anybody. It doesn't make things like calling for violence against white people or black people okay. But it does explain why we see it. Blame our ancestors that perpetuated slavery and Jim Crow laws and segregation and separate but equal. They were just as stupid as the racists today are, if not more so.

 

The bottom line is that white men benefit greatly from these kinds of favorable laws. The government isn't against them at all. It doesn't matter that AA doesn't specifically spell out something for white people. The fact of the matter is they benefit most from it as they try to dump all over another group for something they themselves greatly benefit from. It's almost like it's not enough for white men to be the most preferred candidate. They want laws spelled out favoring them even though they benefit most from the same laws.

Affirmative Action laws should go away post 2044. Heck, they should go away now. Asians are trying to take over companies and it's a bit difficult when there is majority protectionism built in.

 

So what Ray? Unqualified Blacks and Hispanics are unfairly disadvantaged by AA regardless of qualified Black and Hispanics supposedly benefitting.

 

No.

Veteran's preferences are for veterans, who can be of either sex or any color. White men who get veteran's preference are not getting them because they are white and male. You are just simply wrong about that.

I think at this point, affirmative action is a permanent part of society. Barring some radical court decision, it's here to stay. Of course by 2044 it will be a de facto apartheid system, but I imagine that POC will be warming up to apartheid by then.

 

Yes, but many veterans, like 80% of all veterans (17.5 mil out of 21.8 mil), are white. It's safe to say that there are more white male veterans than any others. Preference laws actually state that veterans should be given preference over others so that's a big boost.The AA law happens to have the terms minorities, which includes Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, Indigenous People, and Other; women, which can include women of all races including white women; and veterans, which can include racial minorities, but most are white males.

Basically, AA covers every race and sex.

Also, my point isn't that the law sets asides preferences specifically for white men. My point was that white men benefit most from Affirmative Action alongside white women. The claim that I was countering was that AA is supposedly a tool the government uses against whites. It's simply not. Whites just so happen to be heavily favored even under AA laws so the claim I was addressing was wrong.

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If POC decide to go an apartheid route, it is probably because these are the things they are taught in the societies they live in.

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1. Veteran's Preference is not Affirmative Action. I don't know why you are trying to conflate the two.
2. So no, AA doesn't cover every race and sex. If it did, there would be nothing affirmative about it.
3. 80% White seems way too high for military veterans. I'm guessing that figure includes Hispanics.
4. You've made zero attempt to show how white men benefit most from Affirmative Action. That seems frankly ridiculous.
5. You seem to be OK with apartheid, depending on "who/whom"

 

1. Doesn't change the fact that Affirmative Action laws have preference regulations written in them, especially for veterans.

2. AA covers every race and sex. It doesn't have to literally say every possible demo. Imagine if a man claimed AA didn't cover men. He would sound ridiculous because men make up the vast majority of veterans and veterans are covered under AA. His complaint at best is that the AA law didn't specifically name men so therefore... Well, that's the argument you guys are making now. Except it's for white men and not just men.

3. I used the census.gov to get that number. It claimed that the 17.5 mil are white only, Non-Hispanic whites. Hispanics were separated and made up just 1.2 million. If you have a better source showing differently, feel free to share it.

4. It only seems ridiculous because it goes against long held stereotypes. Mind you no one has put together any attempt whatsoever demonstrating how the government discriminates against whites.

5. Apartheid is not ok. All I was saying is if a group of people dumps all over another, they shouldn't be surprised if that other group reacts with the same behavior.

 

If you really think that Affirmative Action covers everyone, then I don't think you know what it is, and no it's not veterans preference.

 

Which race or sex can't get coverage under the minorities, women, or veterans AA listing?

 

Why does racism have to be supported by the government in order to be racist? I thought racism was the belief that one's race is superior to other races, period. Plus you're wrong on both levels. Al Sharpton and his gang is supporting the BLM agenda and its racist and on the other hand the government is doing everything in its power to stamp out white-on-black racism.

 

Doesn't have to be by the government. Any institution will do.

A racist is a person who believes one race is superior to another. Racism is the exercise of that belief.

How is BLM racist? The leader is white. I think a major benefactor is white too.

How is the government stamping out white-on-black racism?

 

Again, as I've said multiple times, veteran's preference isn't affirmative action. I think you're really too ideologically blinded to budge from your talking points regardless of the facts.