Remind me why they deserve $15 an hour...

I agree. Why even pay them the minimum wage? Working full time in this country shouldn't guarantee that you can survive. Just throw some bootstraps at em, or maybe they can get one of the nonexistent manufacturing jobs that used to provide a path to the middle class for low skilled, low educated workers before globalization and automation. Maybe they should just all go to college so we have a saturated market that drives your wages down while subsequently raising student loan debt burden across the nation? That will certainly fix everything.

Not everyone has a skill, in fact most of the people employed today have jobs that do not require technical skills, many of which will likely be automated in the next 50 years. You have to ensure people can live working full time, even menial jobs. Otherwise you're going to see wages continue to drag down and entitlement reliance persist.

 

No. Most minimum wage jobs are not worthy of an increase in wages. Certainly not to the tune of $15. There is my answer.

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$1.23 is your change. Why? Because that is what the register said.

Instead of, 23 cents makes four and a dollar from your 5.

I know exactly what you are talking about. Honest opinion, 95% of the people on this forum will read this post and have absolutely no idea what we are talking about.

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Wrong. I am basing the presumption that minimum wage jobs deserve a raise to $15 on hundreds of encounters with minimum wage workers.

Not a bad tip.

 

Cant live off of your grade school education ? Get a couple room mates and take the bus. Take a bike. Work a side job. Stop begging for something you have not earned.

 

I agree that you're being utterly ridiculous, and what people get paid to do their jobs is none of your damn business, unless you are their employer.

No, I don't agree with your faux outrage at all. You're being petty about this whole thing- unbelievably petty. Get over it and move on with your day. Or maybe you could call up Jimmy Johns and give them a piece of your mind. Yeah, that'll do it.

You know what? They won't give a rat's behind. They'll just write you off as some (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) customer. I would, that's for sure. Your complaints are pathetic.

 

And apparently you fail to understand that minimum wage changes are based on cost of living and inflation changes, not single persons job performance of duties.

 

LOL I am not that old. I am 35 and got my degree in 2002 and my license in 2010.

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And you apparently fail to understand that arbitrarily establishing wages based on "cost of living" and "inflation" removes any incentive for performance of duties and thus any desire to provide good service.

I sure wish I worked a job where performance had no bearing on my wage. Then again, I would be pretty unmotivated to do a good job.

No wonder many of these employees suck at what they do.

 

Of all the posts in this thread, yours is the most valid. I actually agree with you. We have talked about this before, that humans desire to pursue laziness is undermining our economic system. We agree.

Paying people X dollars for crap service though isn't the solution.

Will we ever get to a time when all people can stop working and the world will run itself for our benefit. No. Competition is getting tougher in the market place, I agree. But I don't think arbitrary wages for any quality of service is the answer. I think thats a path of disaster.

 

The only whining and crying going on here is from you.

An honest days pay for an honest days work isn't a liberal point of view. I assure you it all conservative. The concept is you work to earn a living, not so you can be eligible for food stamps.

The fact is wages are not keeping up with the cost of living, and they are stagnating because of the supply and demand situation (wink wink). More people than there are jobs, means workers cannot negotiate for better pay, and even if they work hard the rewards are the same as this guy who doesn't seem to realize he needs a pen, or maybe he just knows he gets paid the same whether he is doing the job of many or just toting enough of the water to get by. These days either could realistically be the case.

Nobody said he should be given anything, to be honest he probably needs to be given a pink slip, and eventually he probably will get one, but that isn't a problem for the employer, since there are 30 more undereducated/unskilled high school drop outs ready to forget the pen too. If that doesn't work they can just get an illegal who gets your order wrong and doesn't understand English.

Either way, same over priced (*)(*)(*)(*)ty sandwich, and the same (*)(*)(*)(*)ty low wage service. You get what you pay for. And what you pay for is overpaid executives/management, and underpaid government dependents, so stop whining if the service isn't all you wanted it to be. The lack of competition, and monopolized (too large to fail propped up by government cronyism) industries has created an environment that dictates (*)(*)(*)(*) the employees and the consumers as well. You don't want the (*)(*)(*)(*)ty overpriced sandwich, go someplace else. They don't care about you or need you either.

 

Just ordered a # 14 with onions , due to this thread. Yum.

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Not every job , especially the ones that a trained monkey or child could do, are going to pay enough for you to live on your own and enjoy the benefits that actual hard workers and educated people have. There are ways around it, the lazy burger flipper can partner with 2 other burger flippers and they can live together splitting the cost 3 ways.

 

Weird. Considering the fact that you do expect that its part of the governments job to establish a minimum wage that will affect my cost of goods and services.

So it isn't my job to care about somebodies wages... but it IS your job to support somebody elses wage increases?

I suppose for the rest of the Minimum Wage debates, the response to your support of the legislation will be "its none of your business"?

Double sided much?

 

So in your world people don't get raises? That must suck. You see I get merit increases even though at bare minimum all businesses in NJ must pay $7.50, image that. So no matter how good this pizza delivery guy is at his job, he should never get a raise from the current minimum wage.

You can do it to. And if this guy will never see anymore than what he is making no matter what, you are correct were is the motivation for giving a (*)(*)(*)(*) that you had to get off your ass your lunch.

And you don't have to wish. Go get a job as a pizza delivery man. Seriously, the faux envy of a guy working his ass off delivering during the lunch rush is amusing. OMG you had to walk down a flight of stairs because a person not familiar with your office didn't go to the correct floor!!! Fire him he makes too much money!!!!! Eat your damn food ya yuppy.

And then turning around and disparaging every low wage worker in the US. Hopefully your blood sugar evens out and you get a bit more rational.

 

When the private sector provides a wage that prevents the need for government subsidy of the working population....well, we can prevent the need for government subsidy. As it is my taxes make up for the greed of Walmart.

 

So who paid for your education? It certainly wasn't you pulling all nighters at Jimmy John's. Be honest. You would need three full time jobs making a lot more than minimum wage to pay for a full time reputable education. There just isn't enough money to be made or time in the day to earn a college degree these days working minimum wage and maintaining an existence. Even living in mom and dad's basement it would be hard.

 

You are so right. I am so shocked and disappointed that I didn't get $15 an hour instead of $1.25 an hour, because that's where I learned to count change back correctly frying hamburgers. God forbid we ever have an electrical failure, the American consumer is screwed

 

They could live in a cardboard box under a bridge too, but society will not permit it. 40 years ago anyone who worked could take care of their basic needs. Food, shelter, clothing, transportation, communications, entertainment, etc... This may be a shock to you but those things used to be comparable to the wages that people earned. It isn't that the money isn't there to pay realistic wages, they just go into the wrong pockets these days, and the government subsidizes out of the tax payers pocket to assure the trend that has gone on for several decades now, continues. It isn't the best government corporate money can buy for nothing.

 

There are plenty of people living in boxes and under bridges. How did society permit that ? The wages are " realistic" for what they do. They just cry harder and louder today and get a soapbox through the internet so it seems like a greater outcry when imo its just broadcast more. The problem is attitude, such as you comparing having a home mate to " living under a bridge ". The poor lazy people working these jobs will do anything besides actually working hard to try and get others to pay them more. Since they are for the most part uneducated, they do not realize that a mandated min wage at that level will just drive their other daily expenses to the same level and they will be no better off.

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This is the attitude and mindset that is driving all of this nonsense.

" SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR MY LACK OF WORK ETHIC AND EDUCATION "

 

Did they at least give you the right sandwich?

 

Your complaints in the OP of this thread were pathetic. And you talk about entitled. You talk as if you're entitled to have people work for little money and do their jobs perfectly every time. Well guess what? It does not work that way.

You have no idea what that person has been through today. Can you imagine if all his customers were like you? Good god, chill out, sit down and do YOUR own damn job. And next time, get off your lazy *** and go to Jimmy John's to get your own damn sandwich. If it's across the street, you should be able to handle it.

But hey, I'm sure you'll still find something to whine about. People like you always do.

 

Its called professionalism. Something that is more common in higher paying, higher educated jobs. Leave your baggage at the door and do your job. This does not happen in the min wage area, mainly ( imo) due to the fact these workers are less educated and frankly stupid in other areas as well.

 

And he can screw up 3 times for $10-$15 an hour AND get fired! He won't have an opportunity to STEAL from other $10-$15 dollar an hour employees like himself. He won't get a GOVERNMENT BAILOUT for screwing up and losing hundreds of thousands of jobs for others. And won't get to keep HIS 'golden parachute' leaving him a multimillionaire which WE paid for!

Why is he any less deserving??

 

Heck, that's nothin', you should've seen what bankers, CEO, and Wall Streeters got for screwing up an entire country..BILLIONS (some of it YOURS) ... ....and you're worried about a delivery guy???

 

Wont get a tax payer bail out ? Food stamps & welfare ?

 

I'm willing to bet most people born in the 60's and up probably worked fast food at least early in life, so your understanding certainly isn't unique.

I've done it at several places.

A) It isn't hard work.
B) It doesn't even require a high school education.
C) It doesn't deserve more than minimum wage as pay.

As for the particular case in the OP, that's only one incident noted, but I'll also wager that if anyone or everyone in this forum were honest, most would agree they have less than good experiences at fast food places on a regular basis.

I fully grasp that mistakes are made or service is less than great when a worker is overwhelmed. I've been to restaurants where some poor soul is getting hammered because he/she has to handle 2-3 times as many tables as the norm because of either poor management or someone calling off. In those cases, that's not their fault and I will be patient. I usually engage them in conversation and let them know I recognize the situation and not to worry that I understand and I will still tip decently.

However, it's entirely another thing when you walk to the counter to place an order and the person behind the register has a glassy stare and an attitude. Also an entirely different thing when another co-worker, just as ambivalent slaps your order together and can't get it right, then glassy eyes there hands you the bag without as much as a thank you, or a check to be sure the order is correct.

After all, it seems the majority of those screeching for $15 an hour are the fast food burger drones.

Nope, it ain't worth that kind of money.

 

I used the cardboard box as an example to save even more money than you were suggesting. Some do (live under bridges) and get away with it, because they don't have anyplace else to put them.

No everybody who takes a low wage job is not uneducated and lazy. Many of them are extremely hard workers who do not have a choice. We do not have enough jobs so people who want to to work have to work in jobs they are overqualified for. You pay at or about minimum wage, and offer no more workers will tend to only do what they need too to get by. No incentive means less motivation.

The wages are not realistic for the cost of living in this country. The wages are low because the employers have all the advantages and the leverage to keep them low, period. The government sets the limit and if an employer can get away with it they pay what the government will tolerate. Why would they offer more if they don't have too?

The definition of modern day supply and demand even though capitalism is supposed to create a vast competitive environment (more businesses and choices for the consumer to choose from) where costs are kept low and wages are relatively high. unfortunately decades of cronyism capitalism, and welfare programs that make people less competitive and even more less motivated, this is the results.

I agree, the only way raising the minimum wage will accomplish anything is if the money comes from the top (that is where it has been going for the past several decades, it's no secret). Raising costs and passing the costs on to the consumer will only make the relative poverty level increase. Within a short period of time they will still be eligible for food stamps and government subsidies provided for by the best government corporate money can buy.

What you and other here don't seem to grasp is those subsidies are in place so employees who want to work will except the wages offered, and still be able to get by so the money they should be making can go into overpaid executives pockets (the people who make more than they deserve). The tax payer is supplementing poor wages so lucrative fortunes can be obtained at the top (follow the money).

Keeping the educational system at a dismal failure rate and up to half the population (now) dependent on the government, maximizes profits for the rich/elites (the governments bosses). Welfare was created/invented by the rich/elites and implemented by the best government corporate money can buy, and for some reason the majority of the population hasn't grasped the concept yet (even though they know it is true), and blame goes to the working poor for the countries economic failures, which they have absolutely no control over since it is implemented from the top. That's how plutocracies work.

 

Right, sorry if I didn't make this clear, I'm not arguing the amount of money, I'm arguing about the judgement.