Rick Perry’s bizarre speech

I know Reagan said this:


Now spin, **********, spin

 

So Obama didn't kill Bin Ladin, and Reagan didn't support him and the jihadists:

Hmm, the alternate reality that is conservatism:

 

Well....duh. That's because al Qaeda wasn't even formed at that time.

 

Again, you are unbelievably misinformed. If you knew (*)(*)(*)(*) about how it went, the US armed the mujahadeen Afghan's. The Massoud's, and the like. Bin Laden was a sheet-headed Arab jihadist. The Arabs were financed more by Pakistan and the Saudi's. The Pakistan's used the Arabs to then go fight the Indians in Kasmir. As for Bin Laden, he primarily financed himself from day one.

Is there a liberal here who knows (*)(*)(*)(*) about this ? Please step up !

JP. Give "Ghost Warriors" a look too. Won the Pulitzer. I read Charley Wilson's War as well.

 

Keep spinning. Who supported the jihadist in Reaganistan again? Who called them freedom fighters.

I love the Tea Party's attempt to cleanse history of Reagan's lunacy.

 

Do you know anything about the origins of the Taliban ? Bin Laden was not Taliban. He was an army unto himself in the beginning, and after the Soviets were expelled, he was able to function with the permission of the emerging Taliban regime.

Why are you debating this when you do not know what you are talking about ?

 

You know, not for nothing, If Cain hadn't had these complaints filed against him, he wouldn't be having to spend time doing damage control and waffling on his answers.

Anytime there's politics involved, the media, depending on their sway, is going to bring to light anything they can because it generates ratings, money and the politics they support. We've all seen it happen regardless of the Network or radio station and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't being very honest with themselves.

Likewise its good that your going to make your selection based on an informed decision and not one based on ignorance. Too many people vote strictly on party lines as opposed to looking at the candidates record and background.

Eitherway, I truly believe in 2012 Romney will be the Republican Candidate for President. As I've said before, Bachman, Gingrich, R. Paul, Perry, Trump, Santorum and Huntsman don't have a chance and if the Republicans put any of them up for office, they'll almost guarantee a 2nd Term for Obama.

 

Well duh, like anybody with half a braink new that jihadists were extremists who killed little girls for going to school.

Everybody but conservatives and Reagan. You guys ALWAYS support dictators and terrorists.

See, leaders pay attention to reality. Reagan didn't. He was too steeped in his cold war delusions.

 

The support started with Jimmie Carter. And again, we supported the Afghani's. Bin Laden was not and Afghan !! He's a friggin Saudi Arab !!

Get a clue. You don't have one here.

 

Actually I do. Reagan's support of jihadists like Bin Ladin led directly to the establishment of the Taliban.

Keep spinning.

Did Reagan support jihadists in Reaganistan or not? Yes or no!

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) !! The original Afghan jihadists were anything but ! They were not against educating women. It was the Arab jihadists who came in later, and the rise of the Taliban, that became the true jihadists.

How many times are you going to post uninformed BS here ?

 

PSSST: say the word stinger missile three times and you'll see the difference between a careful president, like Carter. and a weirdass conservative like Reagan.

Now, let's see after arming Bin Ladin, who sent arms to Iran? Wait, it was Reagan.

And who sent arms to Saddam Hussein? Wait, it was Reagan.

And who armed the contras who killed American nuns.

Reagan again.

I see a pattern of stupidity and immorality that only can be summed up with one word: Reagan.

 

BUZZZZZ wrong again.

The communists, supported by the Soviet Union, were for modernizing the country.

The jihadist, supported by Reagan were for throwing acid in the faces of school girls.

You have quite a hero in Reagan!

 

Well, DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMAN took offense at the idea of his helping to arm the Mujahadeen with stinger missiles had a thing to do with what followed.....many years later:

Did the original screenplay end with a shot of the Pentagon in flames?
Yes. The real Charlie Wilson and Joanne Herring succeeded in having parts of the movie's script omitted, which had suggested that they were responsible for seeding the events of September 11, 2001. This included a shot of the Pentagon in flames at the end of Aaron Sorkin's original screenplay. When she first read the script, Texas socialite Joanne Herring says that she "practically choked." She and Charlie Wilson were aghast at the screenplay's implications that they had abetted Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. "Can you ever predict a war?" Joanne argues. "The shelf life of a Stinger missile is five years. There's no weapon we got them that can be used today." Herring and Wilson brought in famed Houston attorney Dick DeGuerin, who helped pressure Universal and the producers to change the script. -NY Daily News
http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/charliewilsonswar.php

So, let's see now....IF they didn't abeit all that followed, then neither did Ronald Reagan. That's a ridiculous leap and attempt at re-writing history. IF one believes that stinger shoulder-fired missiles had a thing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda years later....they are well, let's say clueless.

 

The Taliban were not our enemy in 1985. We did not alienate the Taliban until well after the Soviets left.

And again, the choice to arm the Afghan mujahadeen began with Carter. Most of our screw-ups with teh Taliban, and Bin Laden, began in the early 90's, well after Reagan was out of office.

You are grossly misinformed on all of this. As ignorant on a subject as I have ever seen a poster here.

 

The Taliban didn't exist at the time, we know, we know. But they arose out of the very jihadist scum Reagan armed and supported and called "freedom fighters."

The communists tried to modernize the country and end the rule of war lord jihadists. The jihadists, with Reagan's help, won out, and now throw acid in the faces of school girls.

That's Reagan's legacy.

 

I'm laughing too hard now. You post too much, with too little to back it up.

So we should have sided with the Soviets then ? Iran ? The Sandanistas ? Do ya think I could link an atrocity or two to those folks

LOL ..... pathetic.

 

So Carter was wrong in picking the anti-Communist side ? Look, learn some history. We didn't blow it with the Taliban, and even Bin Laden for that matter, until the 90's.

And we did not arm Bin Laden. He did not need our help.

 

Of course Carter was wrong. The communists were a force of progress in that country. But he had no duty to make it easy on the Soviets.

He was smart enough to make it hard on them, but not arm and praise jihadist scum.

Reagan, simpleton and war criminal that he was, actually armed Bin Ladin and crew with sophisticated weapons and called them the moral equivalent of George Washington!

Don't words and actions mean anything to you conservatives?

If Reagan hadn't given stinger missile to the jihadists, there would have been no 9-11. It's that simple.

 

Keep spinning. Reagan armed every single criminal group on the planet not in Eastern Europe.

And he praised Bin Ladin as a George Washtington.

That's how stupid conservatives are.

 

If you want to argue that opposing the Soviets in Afghanistan was not the best choice, then argue that hindsight until hell freezes over.

But you clearly do not understand the dynamics in Afghanistan in the 80's. Do you know that less than half the military aid came from the US ? You truly are uninformed.

 

Thank God for Rick Perry!

 

There is no hindsight. You don't arm jihadist terrorists with stinger missiles unless you're a really stupid president like Reagan.

Again, facts mean nothing to conservatives, just pure freefloating weirdass ideology.

Reagan's immoral foolish policy led directly to 9-11.

 

You forgot to blame him for the housing bubble and undercooked pizza

 

From what reporters who were there during the speech are saying, that Rick Perry didn't seem unusual at all and the crowd even gave him a standing ovation. That it looks strange when you take all these little bits from the entire 25 minute speech and string them together, it does seem odd.

Who knows, but I still don't think Perry will get the GOP candidacy.