Russia denies deployment of troops in Egypt

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  1. goody

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    Then stop making excuses like we're not in the 80s...

    Now that's probably the biggest bullsh.it ever.

    PROVE the existence of internationally recognized legitimate "WRITTEN" invitation document signed by Assad and given to Russia that without a doubt clearly states the full consent of the Syrian people's desires for inviting Russia for acting on their behalf.

    Even such would've been no proof whatsoever to the "legitimacy" of Syrian government as the international law does not give a damn if Syrian government is represented in the UN while the country has been under the circumstances that 95% of the world governments recognizing it as "A CIVIL WAR" and there is The Principle of Non-Intervention in Civil Wars which does not state anything about "intervention by invitation".

    You don't have any right to make absurd remarks like "we don't want this or that in Syria" because someone may ask "who the hell you are to tell?".

    Although Russians here are dreaming that we shouldn't engage in terrorist areas of Syria, I do know how smart Mr Dugin is especially when it comes to calculating the cost of excluding Turks from their own backyard.

    We are in Syria and we will do whatever it takes to demolish all the self-proclaimed cantons of the terrorists that have been posing maybe the greatest risk ever to our own existence. So, Rakka can be shoved right up to anybody's hole who demands its liberation, it's not our concern. Remember, we no longer care if our actions cause world war III when our country before our eyes is destined to be torn apart.
    If we die, we definitely will make sure the world is set on fire :flame:

    I have been free since the beginning and forever shall be.
    What madman shall put me in chains! I defy the very idea!
    I am like the roaring flood; trampling my banks and overcoming my body,
    I tear apart mountains, exceed the Expanses and still gush out!

    The horizons of the West may be bound with walls of steel,
    But I have borders like my bosom full of faith.
    Bellow out, do not be afraid! And think how can this fiery faith ever be extinguished,
    By that battered, single-fanged monster you call "civilization"?

    Name not the soil you tread on as mere earth - recognize it!
    Think about the thousands who lie beneath without shrouds.
    You're the glorious son of a martyr - take shame, grieve not your ancestors!
    Unhand not, even when you're promised worlds, this heavenly homeland.

    Who would not sacrifice their lives for this country?
    Martyrs would burst forth should you squeeze the soil; martyrs!
    May God take my life, my loved ones, and all possessions from me if He will,
    But let Him not deprive me of my one true homeland in the world !

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    That is an extremistic, criminal attitude.
     
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    That you, of course, imagine this bloody and criminal regime under Assad as a legitimate government, as well as of course, all actions of the West in the past as a crime ... is not surprising. I have expected nothing else from you.

    However, I would like to ask you something fundamental:

    The legitimate government of the neighboring country "X" of Russia begins to pursue all human Christian Orthodox Faith - mostly Russian minority. It confiscates their private property, it locks all who fight back in forced labor camps and does whatever else bad things ... including murder of them!
    Is it allowed for Russia to enter with force this country to eliminate the legitimate government?
     
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    I am not making excuses - I am stating fact. This case is in international court of justice, and will be solved properly. Point being - I assure you, that only once again will prove the peacekeeping intent in the actions of Russian Federation.
     
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    You know how they say, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!".

    And I assure you, I'm "NOT" talking about "YOUR" kitchen but the one adjacent to mine that we even use the same faking chimney...
     
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    Bashar Assad was elected through democratic procedure, and can be put out of office only though democratic procedure. In case of civil war - that is an internal dispute where military of RF should not take sides. Military of RF is present to oppose terroristic organization commonly know as ISIS. Rest - you are welcome to report to United Nations as a war crime.

    Write a petition, gather signs, and go on.

    Regardless, THAT DOES NOT MAKES PRESENCE OF USA OR TURKISH MILITARY IN SYRIA LEGIT.

    That - is a point that I am reminding you of.
     
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    Oh, I was not talking about attitude of Turkey in that message, I was talking about you. Be careful not to end up being a terrorist just because you feel your country threatened and think that it gives you excuses to satisfy some perverted violent whims. It does not, and never will, nor to you, nor to anybody esle.
     
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    Oh, there you go with more silly nonsense. The US created Islamic extremist terrorists and broke up Yugoslavia? :lol: We can't make people crazy and we can't cause deep ethnic and cultural rifts, nor would we want to.

    Your propaganda is weak sauce.
     
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    Cut the Bullshi.t and PROVE the written consent signed by Assad given to Putin... No assumptions, no presumptions, only facts... Put the PROOF right here... Come on, I'm waiting...
     
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    It is not. Unless that government directly threatens citizens of RF, or it's borders, these actions should not be allowed. In reality such course of actions in similar circubstances on territory of neighbouring post-soviet states have created an evident set of problems, which only once again proves that this course of actions is unacceptable in modern civilization.
     
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    There are few more worthy causes today than helping those bullied and economically disadvantaged by a mean, aggressive neighbor like Putin's Russia.
     
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    It takes time to google that document up, be patient.
     
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    When will it be legit ... which circumstances makes it legit?
     
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    Oh you were not talking about Turkey's stance now... OOOOkaaaayyyy.... I'm sorry dude...

    When you said:

    I thought you were referring Turkish military... Because you know... I am not a "MILITARY PRESENCE" without an invitation in Syria.... ahahahha...
     
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    Remember... That document's existence wouldn't prove the "LEGITIMACY" of Assad government !
     
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    But now we have a general problem:

    A legitimate government in its own country may, for whatever reason, do the most evil things against its own citizens, but no one has the right to intervene from the outside or no one has the right to grant that right?

    So any state whose government somehow allegedly or actually legitimately came to power, can almost commit a mass murder and no one in the world is allowed to interfere?
     
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    https://www.rt.com/news/317013-parliament-authorization-troops-abroad/
    http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201601140019?index=0&rangeSize=1

    Considering, that United Nations still recognize the governmental administration and president Assad, evidently his government is a legit one at present time. If it was not recognized, it would have been on that list:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_limited_recognition

    Thus, Assad's presidency is legit until next elections in 2021, during which citizens of Syria will be able to legally change the country's senior representative.

    The military action, as is evident from examples of Iraq, does not brings effective results.
     
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    In case of formal request from Syrian government or in case of counter-assault during a war, declared on USA and Turkey by government of Syria.
     
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    Country has citizens, and it is their responsibility to restrict government's actions, if necessary, through a democratic procedures.
     
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    Sorry, in all honest and gently answer now ... are you kidding?

    Let raise a new Hitler and his scum anywhere in the world the power by a democratic election and then become only what they were before 09/01/1939 = start of WW-2 inside Germany. There is not a spark of chance that the German Jews and all the others including political enemies to defend their self against the terror and killings that started after this... or that any uprising is happening!

    And even then ... was there an uprising in Syria against Assad? Yes! But had they any serious chance!
     
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    OK...? So where's my document ??????

    I asked for one simple thing, let me repeat it again:

    "SHOW ME THE INVITATION DOCUMENT THAT WAS SIGNED BY ASSAD WHICH IS CLEARLY STATING THE CONSENT OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE THAT RUSSIAN FEDERATION CAN INTERVENE MILITARILY TO SYRIA"

    I did not ask for the Russian Federation's "RATIFICATION" of its military deployment, nor I did ask for no lists of disputes...

    Just show me THE PROOF of the invitation for intervention signed by Assad and given to Russia ! Simple...

    If you can't provide that proof, your country is also not welcomed in Syria no matter what, and you need to apologize like a gentleman for accusing other nations here for being invaders.
     
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    No. I am making a solid statement.
     
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    I'm sorry, but history has proven this statement to be false. Over and over again.
     
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    First of all, none of that will make unwelcome foreign military presence in Syria legit. Never will, it bascially violates the sovereignity of the state. You may spend years in demagogic debates over the question, that will not change the international law.
    Second, all right, I am trying to find the document in the language I do not speark not write, excuse mua it takes lots of ****ing time.
     
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    And international law states this statement to be the only one acceptable. Histiry is recorded to learn on it's mistakes and grow over them - not to serve as excuse for invasions and neo-imperialism.
     

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