Russia is winning the economic war - and Putin is no closer to withdrawing troops

Of the 27 million Russians killed in WWII, most were civilians and they were killed during the Nazi ethnic cleansing campaign. Regardless of the horror of the Soviet system, the Russians did not invade Germany to steal their lands. It was the other way around. I would be more critical of those who didn't suffer the way the Russians did in the war, and yet fire bombed civilians without any concern towards the suffering of the German people and the lives lost.

I read an article by a Greek woman who was an interpreter at the Nuremburg trials. She said the reason the trials were held there, was because it was the only building standing in German. She also said the trials were held over the bodies of 20 thousand dead people. It was not the Russians who bombed those cities, Britain and the US did - and yet their suffering was minimal compared to that of Russia, so why such brutality?

As for the USSR, it was an atheist globalist world system that didn't believe in sovereign nations. It was conceived in Germany during the Enlightenment by Karl Marx and carried out by Lenin during WWI. Forty million Russians were killed, 60 thousand churches and monasteries were burnt and destroyed - many with people inside so the Bolsheviks could impose their evil ideology on the Russian Orthodox people.

Today we have a similar system being imposed on the world by the World Economic Forum at Davos with similar ideologies. It's called the 'Great Reset' and its a precursor to a one world liberal government and the enslavement of mankind. The difference is that it will be under corporate control, so that those who own the corporations will own everything. Their motto is: You will own nothing and be happy.

There can't be a world government though without Russia's vast wealth. Vladimir Putin and the Russian people who had suffered under a similar system for 70 years will have none of it, so Washington feels they must overthrow Putin with the hope it might lead to the break up of the Federation. This way the corporations can takeover Russia's natural wealth.

Anyway, this is what Vladimir Putin is fighting against and the war in Ukraine is just a tool by the globalists to achieve their end. I don't know who Peter Hammond is, but he seems to be the head of some Ministry and gives a very good explanation in the video of the World Economic Forum's Great Reset - otherwise known as the New World Order.

 

Who tells you these lies? How much does Putin tax you guys that you believe it was HIM that got Russia prepared for his own blunder? Was it you that claimed, Russians would never sell their souls for adequate compensation in the states for their labor?

Well it seems they sold it to good ol Putin and his land grabbing campaigns. Think hes running low on people to tax. The smart ones are all fleeing. Anyone that could ignore Americas mistake and assist Putin in repeating it probably had no soul to begin with or parted ways with it long ago.

 

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China ? >>>> the price of the Russian Currency being at 5 cents .. or 10 cents ?

Then the point that you do make-- which has nothing to do with the price of the Russian Currency --- shows no understanding .. gives no coherent context.

20K what ? US dollars .. Euros .. Rubles.. Pesos ?

when no currency given .. we default to USD .. so 20K USD .. in Russia .. is that good .. bad or otherwise ?

For example .. the average wage in Romania is like 3-400 USD a month. Property taxes in the city for a house are on the order of 200 a year .. "A YEAR" .. in case that went by too quick.

Someone making 1600 a month .. lives like a King.

 

No they dont live like kings..they live like fools in Russia as long as Putin is in charge.
There are crypto $hitcoins worth more than the ruple.

Property tax is just one tax..what about the rest?

 

Jeannette, you sound like a typical Russian citizen who know the history from the Russian books and the knowledge of world from the system where calling a Russian invasion on Ukraine ‘an invasion’ is a punishable crime.
So let me correct your post:

Yes, the Russians did not invade Germany to steal their lands, they invaded Poland and Finland to steal they land.
And why they fought with Germany? Because they hated Nazis? No, Russians loved Nazis, here is German-Russian parade to celebrate victory over Poland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk

So why Russia fought Germany? Russia fought Germany, because their dear friend attacked Russia.
And who murders millions Russians, who sent millions Russian to gulag concentration camps? KGB! And who is Vladimir Putin? Putin is KGB officer.
In order to be a KGB officer KGB checked him thoroughly – to be sure he believe in communism, to be sure he does not believe in God.
And what according to Vladimir Putin was the biggest catastrophe of 20th century?
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057

But if you live in a democratic country you can believe in you write, you can even believe in a Tooth Fairy, but people in Russia are not fortunate as you.

 

A miracle? How could this be, how could this be?

The Russian ruble is the best-performing currency in the world this year.

Two months after the ruble's value fell to less than a U.S. penny amid the swiftest, toughest economic sanctions in modern history, Russia's currency has mounted a stunning turnaround. The ruble has jumped 40% against the dollar since January.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ruble-currency-2022/​

 

OMG, so has BAT crypto coin, just now!
WOW weee!!!.

Aaaand, you are going to do what with that garbage? Buy more oil that cant be sold?

 

Why is it that when we did the same thing in Syria it wasn't called an invasion by the MSM, it was called a special operation? How can one be called an invasion and the other a special operation when they are both the same thing?

Everything Russia did was completely legal. Their troops entered Ukraine to clean out the Nazis after the civilians and the Russian peacekeepers in Donetsk were attacked.

Washington used the same excuse with Syria, although with the US it was a lie since the real intent was to overthrow Assad and break Syria up the way they did Yugoslavia. In Syria, the ones being killed by ISIS were the Christians, and the US didn't enter to protect them. They were being protected by Assad who was the very person we wanted to overthrow.

Then maybe you better tell Adolph Hitler since in his book, "Leberstraum" was to exterminate and push the Russians to the Urals, not the Finns or the Poles.

Let me educate you. There's is a strip of rich black earth running through Ukraine and Russia that is considered the most fertile land in the world. Germany's population before the war was almost 70 million and with the farm failures in the 1930's they weren't able to feed their people.

Leberstraum (living space) was an obsession with Adolph Hitler. In order to push the Russians to the Urals and grab the best and most fertile living space in the world, Germany assembled what was probably the largest invasion force in history.

Vladimir Putin said it was the biggest catastrophe of the 20th century because 27 million Russians found themselves living outside of Russia. That's almost half the population of Italy. Of course, that's not what the MSM brainwashing networks will tell you.

 

You seem to think that screaming "there's Nazis!!!" can be used to justify any level of military aggression by the Russians.

The U.S. operation in Syria wasn't as remotely on the scale of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

 

What's wrong with that?

 

Yes, I know – for Russian citizens everything what Putin is doing is legal. What is illegal is criticizing President Putin. In the democratic countries we have different opinion, we can criticize or praise Putin, we can criticize or praise Bush, Obama, Biden or Putin – totally different world.

Your claim that Russian troops entered Ukraine to clean out the Nazis reminds me another joke:
In 1968 communist countries invaded Czechoslovakia and the question was when they will leave? The proper answer was – after they will find people who invited them.
So when Russians will leave Ukraine? After they will find the Ukraine Nazis.

I agree with you that Germany was as bad as Russia, Germany wanted to conquest other countries and the same Russia. Some differences:
before 1939 Russia murdered much more innocent people than Germany did.
Germany insisted on murdering Jews and Roma people, Russian were liberals, that gave every human the right to be murdered of imprisoned without regard to the color of skin, ethnicity, religion or political views.
And who did all the murders in Russia? KGB. And who is Putin? He is KGB officer.

Putin explanation that collapse of the Soviet empire was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century” because 27 million Russians found themselves living outside of Russia is a joke and only Russian citizen can take it seriously. Collapse of the most murderous and oppressing system is a catastrophe because some Russian found themselves free outside the Russia?
I found it very, very funny.

 

Shouldn't you be saying: "Wasn't as remotely on the scale of the Russian special operation in Ukraine" rather than using the term invasion since the reason for the entrance was the same? Of course the difference is that the US's special operation in Syria was merely an excuse to overthrow Assad, and not meant to protect anyone - while Russia in contrast was provoked into entering Ukraine because of the massive Nazi attack on the civilian population of Donetsk.
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As for using the term Nazi, would you rather Russia didn't distinguish between the average Ukrainian soldier and the Western Carpathian Nazis who have been committing the atrocities against the Russian speakers? I don't think that would be quite fair, do you?

 

zalekbloom - I'm sorry, but I have to put you on ignore. I find you have too many embedded prejudices and being an American born and bred, I find them quite frustrating.

 

Then you find nothing wrong with using deception to enter a nation illegally and to bring about a regime change of a legally elected President? Interesting!

So much for democracy.



Hi ya guys!

Sam's my name
and regime change my game,
that I blatantly call democracy.

And as you all know
it's only a show,
to gain me another kleptocracy.

So if you object
to what I have done
in taking your rights away?

I couldn't care less
on what you might say;
for with money and guns

I WON. - Jeannette

 

I wish the Russians would stay in their own country and not repeatedly engage in territorial aggression.

At least when the U.S. goes to war it only fights for enough territory to bury its dead.

 

No I do not. Note that to be a legitimate regime a nations government must be friendly and supportive o the United States.

Also note that this standard in no way applies to the U.S.

 

In the short run they may be, but in the long run they have suffered a serious loss of stature, and expose the decadence of their military for all the world to see. Some will say Russia will come out stronger, but I doubt the stench will go away for a generation at least. The western world has always looked a Russia as "Mexico with nukes". I'd say now it's more "Guatemala with nukes". Mexico is so much more advanced, socially and economically.
And BTW, something about these people in the outlying provinces killing each other, really makes no difference to me other than using the term Nazi. I don't get the connection between WW2 Hitler and Nazi's in Ukraine.

 

Is this the idiot you guys are coveting?
https://www.grunge.com/625193/enemies-of-putin-who-have-died/

Looks like a legit political system they got over there in Russia!

 

What territorial aggression has Russia engaged it, because it certainly doesn't need more territory? If you're talking about Russia preserving the lives, language, heritage and faith of the people living in historical Russian lands such as Crimea and the East and South of Ukraine, then I certainly wouldn't call it aggression.

Rather I would think the aggressors would be those who are trying to ethnically cleanse the lands of their original inhabitants in order to retain the wealth of the lands.

When the US goes to war, it's to destroy nations and not to protect anyone. If the regime in Ukraine respected the rights of the Russian speaking inhabitants and not taken those rights away to ethnically cleanse them, then the situation would have been quite different.

When Vladimir Putin sought peace after 2 wars with the Chechens, he went against the judgement of the Russian Generals, politicians and the Russian people when he trusted the Imam and gave them special rights. It paid off well, and the Chechens now are Russia's most loyal subjects.

This is what happens when a leader has faith and thinks positively and is not geared by hatreds and revenge because that's when paranoia sets in. It's too bad such positive sentiments do not exist in Kiev because they could have preserved their State. The way it looks now, Ukraine will probably cease to exist - which might be the best for the people living there anyway.

 

Face it @Jeanette, your hero (Putin) is a monster. He is barely above the Nazis he claims to be fighting.

 

Ah yes, when one has nothing else, then there are always the lies. Navalny is alive, because he was smart enough to know that the safest place he could be from his Western handlers, after having failed to sway the Russian people with the fake video of Putin's mansion, was a Russian jail.

It's always been cheaper for the MI6 and their ilk to kill off agents who fail and put the blame on their nemesis Vladimir Putin, then to keep paying them their hefty salaries. If Navalny's handlers were to simply stop paying his salary, it would force him to go to the Russian government and tell them what he knows.

By returning to Moscow when he knew very well he would be arrested for breaking the law, Navalny managed to outsmart his handlers and thereby saved his own life.

 

Well if you say so.

 

I think you better face reality. The consolidated West's decline started a while ago and they tried to stop it by breaking up the Russian Federation and grabbing its assets. Big mistake! It only furthered the West's loss of prestige and respect - which wasn't much to begin with anyway. Had the EU instead worked with Russia, maybe they would have survived - but such logic is beyond them.

In the meantime, Russia and China are now allied militarily, and its even agreeable to India even though they do have differences with China.

 

The US is totally set up for war, not to cooperate but to fight.

In Europe Nov 11th is Armistice Day, to remember the peace that ended WW1.

In the US most people don't know why there are poppies on Armistice Day or why it is on Nov 11th at 11 AM.

The history of peace has been de-emphasized and replaced with war.

Why are we having an economic war? The victims are going to include Europe and soon they will have to abandon us because we are leading them to ruin and they know it.

 

How did the EU not survive? Unless you believe that without the British there is no EU.