Russian Defense lines collapsing in Donetsk Oblast.

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    "difficult to believe"?....as in the heaviest resistance is in the East.....No...it's true.....DPR is slowly cooling off to "Russki Mir".
     
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    You think you've got it all figured out, yet you think a convoy of men and equipment getting stuck and getting beat to hell for weeks was some kind of brilliant strategy. Did you forget that there were also airborne assaults in the area (which also failed and cost a lot in men and equipment) and that Putler was calling on Ukrainian citizens to overthrow their government at the same time?

    Putin screwed up because he thought the Ukrainians would crumble like the Afghans did.
     
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    How many bombers and cruise missiles does Putin have? How many has he used? I hope he bows out. But I think Ukranians can expect an onslaught soon.
     
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    "What's happened"?
     
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    I've been hearing that since April?
     
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    It wasn't only Putin who thought that. It seemed possible, and any attack that didn't at least try to force that possibility FIRST would have been irresponsible.
     
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    The initial Russian objective was a quick strike to take Kyiv and Kharkiv, decapitating the Ukrainian regime and ending the war in weeks. Ukrainian resistance held that off long enough for Russia's entirely insufficient logistics capability to bring the initial plan to a halt. Ukrainian counterattacks followed.
    The Russians subsequently thinned out their forces in the east to reinforce their position in the south, leaving them vulnerable, as we have seen.
     
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    He occupies 90% of the Donbas, and all of Crimea...still. So far the only change is a withdrawal from the regions NOT defined as objectives.
     
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    Dwarfstan blew through his best VDV airborne at Kyiv back in February/March.
     
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    We now know Putin has a collection of flying junk.
     
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    How many can he afford to use? His manufacturing capacity for those guided munitions ain't what it used to be and now he has a lot more NATO border to think about.
     
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    That 90% is fluid...like the so called "annexed" territory...UAF has liberated dozens of town since annexation.

    If he controls Crimea....why all the missile strikes on peninsula.
     
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    Like possibly 600+ miles of extra NATO border....which will be insanely costly now.
     
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    As I've heard the Russian people are going to throw him out since then.

    So what's your explanation on why Putin has thousands of planes, but we are seeing like a few sorties a week for months? Why would a leader not use air power, when the last 80 years of warfare has proven its effectiveness?
     
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    Because Ukraine's air defenses have been making scrap out of his air power.
     
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    Well as usual, I'll wait a month or 2 to get back on here. Look forward to hearing the propaganda explain why he's still sitting there in those territories. Unless these incompetent fools get us nuked before then...
     
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    Yeah, because I've seen so many videos of downed Russian planes.
     
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    Throw who out...since then? Which Russian peeps?

    "Thousands of planes"....I don't think he has "thousands"...like what?.....8-10-12000?...you need pilots....do all those planes work?
     
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    Many of them aren't flyable, his maintenance capability is laughable, and the Ukrainians have become adept at shooting them down.
     
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    Yeah...there were lotsa downed Russki planes....like this SU35?.....supposed to be a helluva jet?....stealth capable?
     
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    I don't know how many you've seen, but I've seen several in various videos over the course of this fiasco. Besides, it's common knowledge at this point:

    Air denial over supremacy: lessons from Ukraine
    Air denial lessons learned in Ukraine against Russia challenge US Airforce doctrine of air supremacy.

    https://www.airforce-technology.com/analysis/air-enial-over-supremacy-lessons-from-ukraine/
     
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    You don't think it's at all embarassing that the regions he is declaring "russian" are being retaken by Ukraine as they continue to snowball through Russian held territory?
     
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    Actually pretty simple - Russia has a Potemkin Airforce that is designed to show off planes so foreign nations will buy them and bomb the crap out of people who can't shoot back. It is incapable of fighting effectively against anyone who can fight back.

    Thousands of planes are no good if you can't keep them in the air or they are going to get shot down. Most of Russia's planes are ageing and in poor condition. Certainly not up to the rigours of constant combat. They lack spares and the people to properly maintain them. Russia has always been below NATO standard. The turnaround times on their aircraft were known to be diabolical and they basically structured their forces on the assumption their Airforce couldn't hold the air. This is why Russia has excelled at air defence systems for generations. Keep in mind all of this was when Russia was the USSR and actually had a functional military. It is clear that is no longer the case.

    Worse, the Russian AF has woeful SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences) capabilities. This means that the Ukranians and their ageing Russia S-300s pose a serious threat to Russian planes. This is why they consistently conduct low level bombing missions relying on pilots to judge targets. This, in turn, makes them vulnerable to MANPADS.

    Russia can't even plan a proper air campaign, as has been painfully clear since this war began. No NATO airforce would even go to war without a clear plan, yet Russia just doesn't have one.

    Anyone trying to claim Russia has significant air power it isn't using is basically saying that Putin is willing to let tens of thousands of Russians die and lose large areas of territory while aircraft capable of preventing all that just sit idle. If people want to beleive that they can. I prefer reality.
     
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    Update from Ukraine | Major Ukrainian Attack on Svatove | Ruzzia will lose all supplies in region
     
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    Morale is plummeting in Putin’s private army as Russia’s war in Ukraine falters
    By Saskya Vandoorne, Melissa Bell, Joseph Ataman and Renee Bertini, CNN
    Updated 11:06 PM EDT, Thu October 6, 2022

    Kyiv, Ukraine CNN —
    The Ukrainians’ bodies lay side-by-side on the grass, the earth beside them splayed open by a crater. Dragged to the spot by Russian mercenaries, the victims’ arms pointed to where they had died.

    “Let’s plant a grenade on them,” a voice says in husky Russian, in what appears to be a plan to booby-trap the bodies.

    “There is no need for a grenade, we will just bash them in,” another says of the Ukrainian soldiers who will come to collect the bodies. The mercenaries then realize they have run out of ammunition.

    These events seen and heard on battlefield video, exclusive to CNN, along with access to Wagner recruits fighting in Ukraine, and candid, rare interviews CNN has conducted with a former Wagner commander now seeking asylum in Europe, combine to give an unprecedented look at the state of Russia’s premier mercenary force.

    ... https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/06/europe/wagner-ukraine-struggles-marat-gabidullin-cmd-intl/index.html

    And these mercenaries are probably the best fighting force that ruZZia has left in Ukraine, no?
     
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