Russian missiles struck NATO ally Poland and killed 2 people, US defense official tells AP

I tend to agree but I see both sides. I like the idea of defending Ukraine but I don't like the cost we are bearing. In Zelensky's shoes I wouldn't negotiate either. He thinks he can drive the Russians out of Ukraine and he may indeed be able to do that. It isn't going very well for Russia. If I were running his war, I would send a large contingent over the border into Russia and cut the Russian troops from their supply lines. That would either get the job done or escalate the war. I'm not sure which.

 

Go claim the Holocaust and moon landing didn’t happen. After you take yourself to the conspiracy forum where you belong with all your ridiculous and unfounded beliefs

 

Nice projection.

 

You’re going to need a lot more hands to keep that troll bridge you’re hiding under from falling

 

Joke indeed. This whole 'fear of Russia' narrative you're spinning is ludicrous. Russia isn't and will never be a conventional threat to NATO, and we're not going to solve the problem of Russia being a nuclear threat without a nuclear war ...which I hope we can agree at least that is worth avoiding.



I just want to stop sending the corrupt Ukrainian govt military aid. Proxy wars are bad and this is nothing but a proxy war.

 

If you want to stop sending Ukraine military aid then you are, by definition, pro-Russia and Pro-Russian war crimes and Pro-Russia illegally conquering an independent country.

There is no watching a woman be raped by a 7 foot man and claim that you’re just neutral because she’s not a nice person. No, you’re still picking a side even if you’re doing nothing. And indeed there are laws making such BS on your part illegal as there should be.

Nope, all you have is being shyt-scared of Russian nukes and hiding that fear behind a ludicrous miss the forest for the tree argument about Ukraine being a not nice guy so who cares how many innocent people get tortured, raped, and murdered.

You and your kind are exactly why Putin and his ilk think they can do whatever they want. How hilariously ironic Mr. Switzerland

 

So we should re-invade Afghanistan then, right? Militarily free the Uighurs from China, bomb Azerbaijan and enforce peace across Africa?

 

If the UN had any more nuts than you do, none of that would be necessary because they’d be so shyt-scared of them they wouldn’t dare step out of line.

Instead we have the opposite effect, and countries both small and large can do whatever they want and expect people like you to roll over like dogs because that’s what good Neville Chamberlains do after all huh?

lo and behold the latest is Russia trying to take Ukraine, and you are so scared you can’t even muster up the gumption to arm Ukraine. LOL. Don’t wanna make Putin itchy on that nuke button of his huh?

The results of your vaginafication of foreign policy guarantees illegal wars filled with crimes at every level. Get a clue.

 

You're dodging now. Either you want to empty your wallet policing the entire world, or you just hate Russia in particular and see an excuse to punish them with our military. We're not the world's police and we'd have to mobilize our entire economy and population for it if we were. If we sent weapons to the peoples of the world instead of their horrible governments, authoritarianism and invasions would be a lot more costly. I'm game for that. But ultimately its not up to us to make other people free. We have our own problems and they have big boy pants just like we do.

 

how the hell is saying it’s the UNs responsibility to hold countries accountable dodging? They fail, therefore we must do what we need to on our own if need be. If that means arming Ukraine, DUH, we do it. Sorry for assuming you’d be able to put that together for yourself.

YOU are the one dodging. Zero ability to counter anything I’ve said, you DODGED straight to the strawman arguments. Pathetic.

You are peace at any and all costs. We get it. Your way creates wars, your way creates crime. Your way gives nukes to NKorea. Your way will give nukes to Iran. Your way will let China attack Taiwan. Your way has led directly to the world being closer to WWIII and nuclear Holocaust than its ever been, and the only message you have is “let’s do nothing”.

Go ahead. Tell me how I’m wrong. Tell me how your policy of “let’s do nothing” works. Show me how that makes the world safer. Show me how we don’t even need to spend money on the problems of the world. Show me how that’s in our best interest. Show me how Russia taking over Ukraine would be just fine.

But my guess is you’ll just go back to dodging as usual. LOL

 

I've made my position perfectly clear- we can't afford to police the world (and neither can the UN). Russia is no worse than China and neither of them have attacked NATO. I don't support war (or proxy war) with China, and I don't support it with Russia either. Ukraine's govt is ****. It has a similar 'freedom vs corruption' rating as El Salvador. I don't support sending weapons to either of them. Their citizens (subjects, really) could certainly do with some... Your way militarizes the entire planet, strips us all of any resources that arent used for mutual defense and requires a global authoritarian control system to protect everyone from eachother. **** that.

 

That’s not a clarification. That’s a longer worded restatement of “let’s do nothing”. Hahaha


Try again.

 

Send weapons to the peoples of the world instead of to their horrible governments and let them figure their own **** out. That clear enough for you?

 

Oh yes, your position of not being able to distinguish between a government and its people has been quite obvious. Ukraines government is bad, therefore it’s people can get raped, murdered, tortured in your world, no problem!

Your position is so extreme In it’s passivity and ironic results. And now you’re hiding behind affordability to justify it.

A governments #1 duty is the security and safety of its people not just in the here and now but long term future. There is zero argument to be made that doing nothing makes the world safer, and if the world isn’t safer, we aren’t safer by definition. Our government has an enormous duty to bloody well make sure we can afford to do what we need to to keep this country stable and secure. God knows it rakes in plenty of cash so don’t tell me we can’t afford to do it’s #1 responsibility.

so yeah, damn right we can arm Ukraine. Damn right we can draw red lines in the sand on all these whackjobs that exist in this world and come at them in endless multitudes of ways that diminishes them into irrelevancy. A diminished Russia at the hands of a tiny country, the former #2 military in the world is a huge check on anyone else wanting to F with us. Our leaders might be worthless but our hardware is the best, and it’s on display chopping up Russia into mincemeat. That is a good thing that is a step towards stable and long term peace, not your fake as F peace that leads to world wars

 

If you follow that train of thought to it's logical conclusion that would have America at war with the rest of the world pretty much forever. You make Lindsay Graham look like a peace-nik isolationist in comparison.