Saudis are said to have lain in wait for Jamal Khashoggi

As I said this whole thing about Khashoggi is suspicious. The way the politicians and media are jumping on the band wagon about the Saudi's killing him, is reminiscent of the demagoguery about Putin, Assad and Kim - so what gives?

Maybe Washington wants Saudi Arabia to foot the bill for things it doesn't want to foot the bill for, or maybe it refuses to support Israel's actions towards the Palestinians? I doubt it though. I see it more as the kings refusal to pump more oil so as to cover the losses from the Iran sanctions.

With the Saudi stance, the country that will gain the most from the sanctions on Iran is Russia - and that's the last thing Washington wants. Besides if oil reaches $100 a barrel, we're going to be in trouble.

So we have a senate now that is freaking out because their Iran sanctions and the chaos they've thrown Venezuela in, are benefiting the Russian boogyman - and all because the Saudi royal highness refuses to play ball.

This is just my opinion, but its an educated one.

 

Liberal MSM and a certain party seem to be trying to bait Trump into reacting before all the facts are in. Turkey certainly has a motive to create tension between the US and SA. And a Saudi journalist may also have formed a scheme to create problems for SA. Until I see evidence or a body I will continue to be skeptical.

 

But where is the part of the substituting wild ideas that are more complicated and are tailored to suit preconceptions of global conspiracies? You left that out.

 

Excuse you again....republicans are pretty much unanimously agreeing with me and speaking out. Dude, is this "make stuff up day"....again?

 

Global conspiracies? Not sure what you mean. I just provided a possible alternate scenario to what liberal MSM is presenting. They don't have any proof anyone was murdered yet, and still they use their resources to spread unproven scenarios. It's amazing how so many seem to be buying into their conspiracy theory without actual proof.

 

Republicans are pretty much unanimously agreeing with you? Doyon realize how completely ridiculous that sounds? Do you also pat yourself on the back believing you know the truth and everyone agrees with you?

 

More garbage. You discredit yourself with this stupid rhetoric, as the idea that the Saudis likely killed him is being repeated by not only our entire government, but also those of other countries.

And what you are saying is stupid, anyway....the media is not claiming the Saudis killed him, it is reporting what they see and hear. So go ahead, attack everyone for not saying what you want to hear....enjoy....

 

Correct. You think it sounds stupid, only because you haven't checked, and because the truth of it undermines the ridiculous things you are saying. Go ahead, see what republicans in congress and their party leaders are saying.

 

They are reporting what they hear from Turkey, and Turkey said 'trust me' - figuratively speaking that is? They said they have proof he was murdered, but can't reveal it for security reasons. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Anyway the corporate owned media only reports what the corporate owned State Department tells them to report. The question is not whether Khashoggi is dead or alive or who killed him - that is if he was killed, but why are they demonizing the Crown Prince?

I think it's because he refuses to pay ball and is not willing to hurt his own oil reserves so as to cover the loss of oil from Iran. This makes it Russia's gain, since the price of oil will sky rocket.

Of course the possibility exists that someone had no more use of Khashoggi, and decided to kill him so he can be used for this anti Saudi propaganda campaign. I'm thinking of the media campaign over the assassination of Boris Nemtsov. He was a political opponent of Vladimir Putin with only a 5% rating, yet it was being used to demonize Putin as having killed him to eliminate the competition. What competition? He was no competition.

 

False. They are also reporting on released video and what the dead man's finance says. What you are saying is demonstrably false and you discredit yourself with such lies.

 

What released video? Turkey said they can't release it for security reasons. It seems I'm not the one that's doing the lying here. As for his fiance, she might have been in on the deception.

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That shows him entering the consulate.

And you can try to wedge your nonsense into the gaps of our knowledge all day ( it's what you do best, after all). But that is not only not support for anything you are saying, it also renders your ideas incoherent babble, as these attempts by you demonstrate no attempt at self consitency or evidential support.

 

Nothing like ad hominem attacks is there when one lacks the reasoning to debate an issue. Anyway I never gave a conclusion, I only gave an alternative to the accepted scenario.

Turkey said they have video proof that he was killed in the embassy, but cannot disclose it. Now mind you this is being said by a nation whose intelligence agency the MIT has been known to commit numerous false flag attacks and whose head Fidan is a known terrorist and a member of Al Queda - so any logical person would question it. Yet it wasn't questioned - why?

 

Here is something that I didn't know. Pompeo is bringing up for a vote an increase in arms to Saudi Arabia and there are senators that oppose it over the amount of civilians that have been killed. We know that the MSM has no such qualms over civilians deaths, so what's their game and who and what is really behind the assumed death of Khashoggi - that is if he is dead?

 

Jamal Khashoggi is neither a U.S. citizen nor has any U.S. family members. The FBI has zero jurisdiction in Turkey. The U.S. cannot just arbitrarily send our FBI to investigate a crime in Turkey unless the FBI is specifically asked to do so. Trump's claim the US has investigators in Turkey is not true, however, based on the fact FBI guidelines say it can only investigate in other countries if they request assistance. So far, it seems Turkey has not requested such assistance.

Let's see what Trump means by "severe punishment" if there's some conclusive evidence that the Saudis did this deed. Trump has been in the pocket of the Saudis for more than 20 years and now, so is Kushner.

Perhaps it would be a good idea for people to learn a little more about Jamal Khashoggi's background, it's quite colorful.

https://www.dailysabah.com/investig...profile-of-a-saudi-elite-turned-riyadh-critic

 

Erdogan is a despot and his country is facing a financial meltdown. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are not allied by any means. Erdogan would give up Saudi Arabia in a minute if it would mean he could get something out of the U.S. in return.

 

Jamal Khashoggi became friends with Osama bin Laden during the Afghanistan-Russian war in the 80's. The CIA supported Osama bin Laden in the fight against the Russian invasion.

 

Turkey, a NATO country is warming up to Russia. A NATO country buying weapons from Russia?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/war...ties-adds-to-troubling-scenario-for-nato.html

At the same time, Yerkhov, the Russian ambassador, kept alive reports the Kremlin was preparing to still sell the S-400 air defense system to Turkey and appeared to relish how it's generated concern from the Pentagon and NATO.