Saving the Arctic

My friend from Finland is now participating in the "Greenpeace" action against russian oil rig “Prirazlomnaya”. She is now on board the ship “Arctic Sunrise”.
According to media, they had a serious conflict with the Russian military yesterday. The guys wanted to capture the oil rig, but they were driven away. It seemed to be shooting there and the Russians managed to catch two guys. I fear for my friend. I tried to contact her via internet but I failed. The worst thing is that according to her, some guys of her team seriously discussed the idea of blowing up the oil rig to demonstrate the danger of oil producing in the Arctic.

P.S. Link http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/arctic-action-gazprom/blog/46670/

 

Looks like your friend has gotten herself mixed up with some real eco extremist nutjobs by the sounds of things .

I cant say I have a whole lot of sympathy here frankly . Greenpeace became more concerned with being anti human than pro Earth decades ago and thats not just my opinion but the opinion of its co founder Patrick Moore who resigned from it for just this reason decades ago

 

The Russians ought to crucify those terrorists.

 

Sounds like the danger of allowing idiots near drilling rigs in the Arctic is the problem, rather than the danger from the rigs themselves.

 

activists can be extreme but if they hadn't done what they did absolutely no one would be aware of the drilling...the real idiocy is drilling in the arctic ocean the dangers of catastrophic leak and ecological damage like the gulf incident are far, far worse in the frigid arctic waters...

 

They are drilling in the Arctic ... so what. Theres an awful lot of it ?

It wouldnt matter where they were drilling these nuts would always turn up claiming they were drilling somewhere too precious and fragile to touch.

 

then you should look into it, arctic environment is extremely sensitive to pollution and there is no technology available to clean up a spill there...

which you know is an exaggeration and untrue...land based spills are bad enough but they can be contained and cleaned up, drilling in water, wetlands, lakes, seas are difficult to contain and much more difficult to clean, arctic regions because of the extreme cold are the most difficult of all, because of the slow plant growth any damage can remain for centuries, this is not a rainforest where if given the opportunity can recover in a few decades or less...

 

I don't care what they found, blowing up a rig is flat out ridiculous.

I wouldn't bat an eye if the Russians shot each of them while trying to accomplish such a goal.

 

Historically mother nature has proven far better at cleaning up such spills than we are

Is it ? We've just had a £2 million bill to police anti fracking loons in southern England trying to deny us access to its cheap energy. They pop up everywhere humans might be percieved to be extracting any advantage from the environment be that from fossil fuels or anything else for that matter

 

Once they scaled the rigs they became pirates. I cannot say I feel any sympathy.

 

you've never lived in the arctic then, i have...things don't decay, oil won't break down...

fracking comes with serious risks to ground water and that's not an exaggeration...

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pirates steal, these aren't pirates...trespassing isn't piracy...

 

Once you try to board oil rigs or boats with intent to harm it, that means you're a pirate.

 

So what ? Were that so theres plenty of Arctic left that wont be affected should that ever happen. The needs of my species comes first I'm afraid.

For environmentalists the more serious risk is that humans might actually benefit from a new cheaper non renewable energy source and they cant ever allow that to happen can they ? Someone might get rich !

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Given that two of them actually considered blowing up the rig its far worse than that . Its terrorism plain and simple. Where was all their environmental concern with all the pollution that sort of action would have caused ?

 

As a few of those clowns from the Sea Shepard discovered. Took some hard core negotiations between Australia and Japan to get them out of that jam. I am not sure the Russian would be willing to be so pleasant

 

Definitely not. Putin is putting the screws to the west and anyone from the west causing trouble near Russian property is going to get a big ass boot up their ass.

 

Do they have gulags still I wonder?

 

Maybe he can send them to North Korea and they can serve Kim Jr.

 

All jokes aside, send them to the ICC - Then the world can see what the consequences of this type of activism are

 

Sure....if multiple layers of steel and cement casing all fail in a given wellbore, there is a chance that some natural gas could come into contact with a fresh water aquifer. And then this is rapidly noticed by the operator because it would appear as a thief zone, and the operator would then fix the issue.

So the serious risk is...under an extremely unlikely scenario, something might happen, and the thing happening would tell the operator it needs fixed, and it is obviously in their economic interest to do so, which is the BEST thing in the world because then you can be certain it will be done.

 

5% of all fracking wells leak on day one, and after 30years 50% are leaking...it's not in the economic interest of the operator to fix that because the return is too low...

 

What is your evidence for this claim ?

 

Please define "leak". Wells being fracked do not come into contact with ground water, therefore you can't be talking about a leak into groundwater. You can talk about a "leak" in the sense of natural gas making it into the air from control valves, plunger lift systems or even the operation of the separator. But that doesn't pollute ground water either. So what do you mean by "leak"? Certainly you CAN'T mean a frack job itself hitting a homeowners water supply, because the resulting destruction of the house into something resembling Old Faithful coming out of your basement would be recognized pretty fast by those to whom it happened. And you don't see THAT on Gasland or whatever the environmentalists are pawning off on the public as a "fracking documentary" nowadays.

So,the original context was "leak" in the sense of polluting groundwater. Since your statistics don't fit that version of "leak", what do you mean by "leak"?

 

14 of them are in a Russian prison .. some are charged with piracy.

 

Do you think that BP or Exxon, or Saudi Aramco or any drilling platform in the Gulf of Mexico would allow these idiots to board their platforms?

 

To bad we can't get the Ruskies patrolling the Southern Ocean, a decent turn in jail for Paul Watson for some of his ridiculous antics isn't a bad thing either.