Shoigu- US Mercenaries Plan False Flag Chem. Attack In Donbas

You should consider both -- but what nonsense are you talking as one of the main findings of the congressional investigation is that the Bush Admin ignored CIA and other intelligence in the mad rush to war.

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Schon gut.

Zu spät.

Gleichfalls.

 

Washington keeps talking about what "might" happen, what Russia or China or Iran "might" do. It's all for the purpose of scaring Americans (and the NATO butt-stuffed member states) into supporting US world dominance on the pretext of "national security". American missiles on Russia's doorstep (a million miles away) is protecting world democracy but Russia's defensive preparation for another one of America's fake WMD invasions is being PR'd by Washington as a sign of aggression and imminent danger to the west. Washington's treatment of Europe is nothing new. Remember the mafia "protection racket" in the US? This is EXACTLY THE SAME.

 

Our friend, @Giftedone , mentioned this before me, but he's right -- "W" Bush should have considered ALL information from ALL reliable intelligence agencies.

I'm not trying to disparage the CIA, the FBI, or anyone else -- especially in the 'pre-Obama' days, including 2002, when all the war-plotting went into high-gear. But, the Germans certainly seemed to be squarely on top of all this Iraqi/'yellow-cake' story, and there was even a two-hour long special presentation shown to the public, showing candid, on-the-scene, unrehearsed weapons-inspection teams in action in Iraq. In truth, they found nothing there but piles of mostly broken old weapons and conventional ammunition which were little more than relics from the 1960's through the 1980's.

The hypothesis that the German Bundesnachrichtendienst supposedly decided on was that clever Saddam, in a really difficult situation, 'bottled-up' inside his own country, and with hostile Iranian Islamo-Nazis next door, put out this barely-convincing propaganda that he had the wherewithal to make nuclear weapons, and that if Iran invaded Iraq, he'd use them!

But, Saddam screwed himself by attacking Israel with a few crappy, ancient 'SCUD' missiles, and so our own intel agencies concluded that he'd probably use his imagined 'stockpile' of nuclear weapons ( ) against Israel... and the rest is history.

 

The CIA Director (a Clinton appointee) assured President Bush that the evidence of WMDs in Iraq was a "slam dunk" ( he said it twice directly to President Bush)

 

What America missiles on "Russia's doorstep"/?

 

Uhhh, Poland and Romania?

And here's a few words from an interview by Shoigu about Crimea. He certainly doesn't mince his words - nor should he:

“if all these people – Ukrainian neo-fascists, ultra-nationalists, extremists and mercenaries from European countries and the United States – had come to Crimea after the coup d'état in Kiev, as they planned on doing, I assure you, no one would have thought any less of it.”

“We still see the consequences of the attempts of these nonhumans together with Ukrainian troops, to impose their order in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.”



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Spare use this anecdotal nonsense -- The congressional investigation found that the Bush admin deliberately ignored "Good Intelligence" that conflicted with the "Bad Intelligence" such as above.

 

To add to Shoigu's comments about nonhumans and otherwise:

Vladimir Putin said at his press conference that the coup in Kiev forced Moscow to take action:

“How could we say no to Sevastopol and Crimea, to the people who live there? How could we not take them under our protection, under our wing? Impossible. We were put in a situation where we could not do otherwise,”
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Putin also referred to a decision by the Soviet Union to create the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. What they did was draw up new borders inside the former Russian Empire.

“They created a country which never existed before,”
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Even though many of the people in regions of Ukraine were Russian and wanted to remain part of Russia, they weren't given a choice.

And here's another one who doesn't mince words. The head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov said yesterday:

"If Ukraine doesn't leave the Russians alone, they'll all end up part of Russia."

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Prove that the U.S. has deployed offensive missiles in either of those nations. By linking to an inarguable source please.

 

George Tennet telling Bush (twice) that evidence of WMDs in Iraq was a "slam dunk" is not anecdotal.

You are simply being your typically dishonest self.

And prove that a congressional investigation found what you claim.

 

Tennet was part of the Clown Show on the Rush to war... You don't have an understanding of how the power structures work mate.. on a most basic level.

 

I don't want to be called "mate" by the likes of you. Tenet was a Clinton appointee. How was he part of the "Rush to war".

And President Bush waited more than two years after he took office to go to war with Iraq. How is that a "Rush to war".

And if President Bush had waited two more years before ordering the invasion of Iraq would you have support the invasion then?

If you answer is "no" then you are admitting to intellectual dishonesty.

 

It matters not who appointed Tenet .. as stated previously .. you have no idea how the hallowed halls of power work .. and your nonsense claim is refuted by the Congressional investigation .. citing the fact that the White House intentionally ignored intelligence conflicting with the "BAD Intelligence" of the kind that Tennet was supposedly "Unknowingly" providing.

You argument is lost either way.. whether or not was a Team Player in the adventure Du Jour.

 

Post a link from an unbiased source please. That is a source that supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Thus it would be a "statement against interest" and I would be able to take seriously.

Otherwise, you lose.

 

You havn't posted a link backing up your Tennet claim.. so apparently it is you who has lost.. according to yourself - which happens to you often ... but no matter .. Tennet is matters not so no need.

Then you lose again - showing your complete lack of knowledge about the WMD situation . to compliment your lack of understanding the basics of how our power structurs work .. a third loss .. in one post .. hard to keep track ..

You then finish by asking for a source that supported the US invasion of Iraq - but, I have made no such claim Loss 4 .. good grief mate.. you have lost the page ... Loss 5

This kind of hearkens me back to Trump's speeches when he talks about folks who never seem to tire of losing - have you turned Blue on us Dayton ?

 

Here's three sources, but there's a lot more. Dayton you should read a little bit more before writing, it would make you more credible. At the time these systems were deployed, Russia had a fit. They were perfectly aware of what they were and that they could be converted in a few hours with nuclear weapons.

What is worse, is that Romania and Poland wouldn't be in charge of the systems. So that if there was a war, Russia would be retaliating on Poland and Romania rather than on the country that instigated it.

So to remedy this, Russia began developing its hypersonic missiles, that way Washington would suffer as well as its EU satellites.

https://voltairenet.org/article191827.html

https://newcoldwar.org/new-nato-thr...poland-romania-to-install-u-s-missile-system/

https://www.romania-insider.com/russia-anti-missile-systems-romania-offensive

 

It may be useful to remember that, to a Russian, this whole "Ukraine" thing probably looks a whole lot different than it does to the rest of us.

Consider: until 1917, there wasn't even a country known as "Ukraine"! You can look up the history, going back hundreds of years, but "Ukraine" officially became a 'state' (the Ukrainian SSR) within the greater Soviet Union, after the overthrow of the Czar, etc.

After World War II, in 1954, the Soviet Union formally transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. And, exactly 30 years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed, which made Ukraine a separate entity altogether. Now it all gets political, murky, and highly disputed, and I won't even try to go into all that... but, suffice to say, a lot of Russians believe that at least the Luhansk and Donetsk provinces of present-day Ukraine (the "Donbas") are really still RUSSIAN, much as they had been since at least the year 1764 (which obviously goes back before our United States of America was even independent from England).

So, that's what a LOT of the 'heartburn' is actually about, and regardless of who's 'right' and who's 'wrong', it would be wise for us in 'the West' at least to understand what Russians really believe about Ukraine itself, as well as the more obvious issues about NATO, missile deployments, etc., etc. Just thought we'd ALL better take a good, hard look at this whole thing before something sparks a situation in which thousands of people get killed, and dire threats to millions more emerge....

 

Irrelevant. The Central Intelligence Agency is an information-gathering agency only in its title. The CIA is an organization whose main purpose is to concoct scenarios whereby the US can conduct illegal manoeuvres and then either use it to prove the ends justify the means or .... to use "intelligence" in general as a scapegoat when the ends prove the means were faulty.

The chosen "intelligence agency" (the CIA) was selected because the White House and Pentagram cooperate in fabricating lies. There was no "mistake" made. The illegal invasion of Irak was planned and carried out with the full knowledge that there were no WMD's. There is more than enough proof for it in the form of CIA agents infiltration of the first inspection team to plant false evidence - the phoney "intercepted telephone discussion" - the fake satellite images - invading Irak just as the second inspection team was about to inspect the final site on the list of where the CIA agents (in the first team) had planned to plant false evidence of WMD's - etc. etc. etc. A person (organization) doesn't fake any of those things if he is innocent. Also, note how the US today is fond of saying "Saddam did have WMD's" and obscuring the fact that those weapons had been destroyed by UN insistence and that Saddam's possession of WMD's was prior to the destruction of them which had been achieved long before the American invasion. Repeating "Saddam did have WMD's" is part of the brain-washing propaganda that will be tweaked by American education of its citizens and is already part of the "Everybody knows Saddam had WMD's" so that the truth behind that statement will be forgotten so that history will be re-written in favour of accepting the invasion as justified.

There was no "conclusion" made at all. You said yourself that those SCUD missiles were "crappy" and "ancient". The incident is being played up as more proof of American lies. The fundamental American modus operandi is simple, "We want to attack X. What excuse can we use this time?"

 

Simply put .... yes.

 

That's right. How could they say no?

 

1) You're as bad as that other guy.
2) Those are DEFENSIVE missiles. Anti missile missiles
3) They have never ever had nuclear warheads deployed aboard them. Nor do they even have the capability.
4) Try to learn about what you're posting about.
5) Case closed.

 

Would you rather call it the Cossack Hetmanate? Or the Zaporizhian Host?

Ukraine is actually an insult name. I would change it, but they have decided to keep it instead of one of their original names.

While Crimea and the eastern part were never really part of Ukraine and if Russia fully annexed them I would be less upset than what they are doing now. Those who think the culture, language, people, and land of what is now called Ukraine never existed as a country until the 20th century are badly misinformed.

 

Gotta love the projection (4) "learn what you are talking about" followed by (5) that case closed long time ago.

Jen is correct .. Russia has no way to tell if USA has not slipped in a few nukes .. even if Russia didn't find any during the last inspection.. which was when .. since you know for a fact there are no such weapons deployed ? LOLOLOL

3) You don't know whether or not the US has snuck in some nukes anymore than the Russian's do .. but still let us know how the last inspection went .. just to show that you know what you are talking about..

and Last - the fallacious inference that because it may not have happened in the past .. nukes are not there now .. nor will be in the future.

 

How dare you reply! Didn't you read 5) ?