Should mocking somebodies death be considered as Hate Speech?

Agreed, I would even go further. If the intent is to incite hatred it should be treated as a criminal offense.

 

It should not be done, as there is no legitimate reason for such.

The simple fact of the matter is there is no such thing as a right to not be hated by others.

 

Wow.

The bad thoughts police are coming for us.

 

Yes, but it proof would have to be extremely situational. At a political rally? maybe. Two guys in bar? The problem is (and I say this based on experience) without direct admissions from the accused 'intent' by its strict legal definition is extremely difficult to prove. Generally there have to be a whole lot of acts in furtherance of the intention by the accused prior to the event in question before you have a leg to stand on in court. Telling an 'alleged' joke in public as a stand alone act? Good luck. - you simply can't unscrew someones head and pull at the reason they said want they did. Think about all the times you might have said something that could be misconstrued by some random passerby.

Or to put it another way. *******s will be *******s.

 

Doing the right thing is often difficult.
The ease or difficulty of doing something that may prevent a hate crime should not be the deciding factor as to whether you should do it or not.

 

If bad thoughts stay in your head that's OK.
If you try to incite hatred publically you should be stopped.
Whether you are an Islamic hate preacher or a Islamaphobic bigot you should face the consequences of your words.

 

Don't you think that depends on the life?
Would you "mock" Hitler's death?
How about Samuel Little, who has so far confessed to 93 murders (mostly stranglings) with many dozens of bodies yet to be found or identified?

Personally- I don't agree that black lives matter, or that all lives matter- I feel that good lives matter. People who contribute to society or at least don't become a plague on it- matter.
Those whose lives serve only to make life miserable and dangerous for others have no value; that is their own choice, and the sooner we rid ourselves of them the better. I do not mourn the loss of such people. Race doesn't matter- the quality of the person matters, they may choose to be treasure or trash to society, and I will not allow them to blame their choice on the rest of us.

 

So how then? Go on, lay it out in detail. How do you go about proving a 'joke' is a hate crime, how do you investigate and prosecute such acts? Lay it out in detail.

 

"Doing the right thing" would be not looking to criminalize free speech on the basis that someone does not like what may be said, or what they may hear.

 

In court with legal representation on both sides and a jury of your peers to provide a verdict.
Same as any other criminal conviction.

 

That is your strawman, not my opinion.
I said nothing about whether ''someone does not like what may be said''
I referred to deliberately inciting hatred.

 

There's this little thing called 'evidence' that you are supposed to have before you go to court. Remember I said you have to prove intent to engage in hate speech? How do you prove someone who told a 'joke' intended to cause offense. Because if you take that one seemingly (to you) important element away we ALL end up in jail. Are you seriously telling me you have never said anything your entire life that may have, however unintentionally offended someone else?

 

If someone was an ******* when they were alive, death does not magically change that and mean you should find nice things to say.

And?

 

Exception, probably in agreement- when speech becomes false propaganda used to control and destroy, society has a right to expose it; to punish it.

Right now, the people of North Korea mainly see the USA an an evil monster bent on their destruction- because all news there IS propaganda. We are seeing propaganda being used in America today to distort truth and create false beliefs, and this presents a great danger. Free speech must not include the right of systematic deception, such as by control of media- which we seem to be seeing here today. I don't want the government to control media; I want to see journalistic ethics return from the grave, and become the Hippocratic oath of all who write and report to the public. That is free speech. Cancel culture and the other tools we are seeing widely used to control speech today are not- and they are extremely dangerous.

 

Again, I'm not talking about offending or saying something someone else may not like. I'm talking about inciting hatred.

 

OK he was a future astronaut .

 

Are you referring to someone's death?

 

'The title of this thread is 'Should mocking somebodies death be considered hate speech? Please note the use of the term 'mocking'. Its not 'inciting hatred' its mocking (making fun of) someone who has died. Very specific, very situational. Incitement to hatred if accompanied by a call to action (e.g kill all the ****** insert favored minority here) is already in many jurisdictions a criminal offense but the conversation has to be public and the assertions clearly designed to malign, harm or insight violence.

 

The point was made that the intent of the speech was important and that is what I was responding to.
Yes, incitement to violence is quite rightly a criminal offense in most countries but I was talking about incitement to hatred.
Targeting individual groups and inciting hatred may or may not lead to violence against that group but I don't think that distinction is necessary and I don't think there is a place in any civilised society for incitement to hatred.

 

No. Mocking never rises to the level of hate speech. Over a death or anything else.

 

There is no such thing as a constitutional right to not be hated. Hating someone or something is not a crime, nor a punishable offense. Emotions do not amount to assault.

 

Incitement to hatred can lead to assault.
Do you take the box of matches from your toddler or wait until after he has set fire to your curtains?

 

And the viewing of pornographic material can lead to sexual assault. What is the difference?

Irrelevant and off topic to the discussion at hand. Do you ensure your own home has completely devoid of any and all dangerous items contained within that a toddler could potentially find and hurt themselves on?

 

Would you agree that also fits bullying? Most bullies are not physically abusive, but verbally and mentally abusive to their targets. When does it move from "a regular part of life" to "hate speech" to "potentially deadly"? I'm thinking of the case in which an adult female (I think she was the mother of a student) pretended to be a student on social media and bullied a student to the point of suicide.

Clearly, mocking hurts. At some point, it can easily rise to the level of hate speech or worse.

 

Wrong. There are a whole host of reasons people get mocked dead or alive. Assuming its about race rather than his personal views and actions is a dodge.