Should mothers be required by law to bury their fetuses?

Please provide proof that mandated counseling reduces abortion rates.

 

Come on Sam, be honest at least once. You have never read a biology textbook, so why perpetuate this charade? Why don;t you stick with what you know and from what you have demonstrated so far that is closer to cow tipping than abortion.

Coming from you that is hilarious. Have you ever even taken ANY science classes?

 

There's nothing wrong with counseling itself, but should it be the woman's choice or should she be forced? The main thing wrong with the mandated counseling is that state legislators, many of them, became overzealous and required by law the counselor to include falsehoods, such as abortion being connected with higher breast cancer rates or abortion being connected with mental health problems. The goal of counseling should not be to influence the woman's decision, but to be sure she knows all the options and that she is comfortable with her decision whatever it is.

 

You don't really believe in choice, if you support Planned parenthood's biased counseling, which is to influence the woman's decision so that she has an abortion. Either you love abortions. You are biased. Or maybe you are just very politically correct. You don't want women to be influenced against abortions. However, does it bother you when Planned Parenthood uses biased counseling, which influences women in favor of abortions?

Besides, even if the counseling is forced, the woman's right to choose to have an abortion is not being taken away. Even if I was pro-choice, I would still support mandatory counseling, because it will reduce abortions.

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Yes, I have.

 

Prove that statement, oh and don't bother posting Lila Rose accounts they have already been proven to be edited to suit. - http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/04/24/updated-who-is-lila-rose/184170#smeared

What part of the word choice do you not understand -

Choice - noun - an act of choosing between two or more possibilities: - http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/choice

By FORCING someone to do something you are removing their choice, how would you like it if you were forced to do something against your will .. I bet you would be calling up your lawyer the minute it was over.

From PP of Western Pennsylvania

I know you will say this is biased, so how about producing a single piece of evidence to dispute (for a change)

 

You and Cady are against counseling because it pressures women against having abortions. However, you have absolutely no problem with biased counseling which encourages women to have abortions. This is because you love abortions!

 

I haven't heard anyone say he/she was opposed to counseling. Most of us are opposed to mandatory counseling, and most pro-choicers are opposed to biased counseling. Such as the type you would get at crisis pregnancy centers. Such counseling is not true counseling, but propaganda, and manipulation using propaganda. Counseling is supposed to help a woman know her true feelings. Planned Parenthood, BTW, does not provide the "selling of abortion", otherwise they would not be in the business of providing birth control and education at reduced prices or free.

 

I am against FORCED counseling, couldn't careless if it is a woman's CHOICE to have counseling, who are you to decree that someone should be forced to do something based on what you believe is right. If you can, so can I and I say you should be forced to watch a woman die during an illegal abortion., would you want to be forced to do that Sam .. nah of course not, but hey your the "moral" one here aren't you.

same old BS, you just love to control other people

 

Who is going to bury the miscarried babies? Should the doctors hand them to their mothers for a proper burial?

What about that 'human' zygote that just got flushed down the toiled from a natural miscarriage. Should there be a "baby Jessica" rescue mission to salvage that fertilized egg so that it can get a decent burial?

 

I don't want to reduce abortion rates. I am not interested in stopping nor advocating that someone needs an abortion. It isn't any of my business.

Because it is mandated. You're implying abortion patients are not already informed and need a counselor's permission to have any sovereignty over her own body. How would you like it if someone made you have to listen to a counselor before you made a choice? Or, if you offered a service, imagine how frustrating it would be if your clients weren't allowed access to your services unless they spoke to a counselor first? Even though what you are selling is perfectly legal and safe.

So women are completely incapable of making informed choices on their own? That sounds awfully sexist.

 

As i said you should stick to cow tipping since clearly at this you are clueless. Where do you get this idiocy?

 

Please answer this question. Would it bother you if the counselors told the woman about both the benefits of both options (having an abortion, and not having an abortion); which would show her both sides of the story? That would be the most non-biased counseling ever.

 

If a woman sees the life that she is planning to kill, they may have a change of heart. It may influence her to change her mind. Seriously, I make some suggestions to stop abortions, and people view it is politically incorrect to women. No, it's not politically incorrect. The woman still has the right to choose, I am not taking that supposed "right" away from her. So what's the big deal? Oh, some women may not chose abortions. Planned Parenthood will lose lots of money!

 

What makes you think Planned Parenthood doesn't do that?

 

Why should health care providers have to cater to the demands of a strictly partisan group? If she had wanted to see an ultrasound of the fetus within her womb, there are plenty of businesses that would cater to that demand. It has nothing to do with stopping an abortion; the only person who can stop an abortion is the person contemplating it. This has more to do with a political group overstepping it's boundaries and forcing businesses to fulfill their needless whims.

If a patient wants an abortion, and a doctor is willing to provide it to her, then why should it matter to you whether she is fully informed or not?

 

I think at the very least the woman should be required to attend the funeral. (open casket of course )

 

I think we need to afford unborn lives some measure of dignity, if the woman is going to terminate them because their presence is not convenient to her at the time being. Just hold a little informal funeral service.

Or are we just going to toss the fetus out like yesterdays garbage?

 

Because they are not people ?

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Why are you so intent on forcing women to do things the do not want to do ?

Do you like it when people force you to do things you do not want to do ? what is up with that ?

 

I don't think the state should have actively prevented the Boston Bomber's burial, nor do I think the state should prevent fetuses from being buried. But in neither case do I think it should be mandatory.

 

I think this all has to do with little powerless people trying to exert control over others so they can feel better about themselves....

 

Most fertilized eggs get flushed.

 

Many do so anyway, but I would point out that a Fetus is Not a Baby. Sorry your Forcing people is just another thing you want to Force on women, Cons are like that, they speak of Freedom and rights then want to remove the rights and Freedoms of others when they deem it furthers their agenda.

 

so we shouldn't force science? According to all measures of science a fetus is a human. it is only yours and others morals or lack of that says different

 

Once again you show your own ignorance a having human DNA does not equate to being a baby or a person. Nice try and as usual you failed.

 

And should men be put to death if they put their sperm anywhere other than inside a wife?