"Skeptics," Science, Spirituality and Religion

So hows time travel working out for ya?

 

I've had a couple of experiences that I thought were spiritual. I have since downgraded them to moments when I was happy. For example, I used to go to a church camp, and I'd sing and dance around the church. Everyone did the same, and the building literally shook. That was a pretty cool experience. However, I realized that I could get the same feeling on my own doing the same thing in a different setting, like at a concert or a dance party. So why would I assume that one was spiritual and the other was not?

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Well it's Monday, so not so well!

 

Yes. Religion denying science is as wrong as people claiming scientific worldview denying spirituality.

 

Its a tired old bit called Pascal's wager. Did you really think you could pass this off has "your thoughts"?

 

I'm a skeptic and i don't believe that.

 

But you haven't explained what "spiritual reality" is. It just seems like term you use for anything you can't explain rationally.

 

I noticed this went unanswered!

 

Scientists don't deny spirituality.

They look for it and so far no evidence exists.

AA

 

Could one of you dualists here define "spirituality" in a concrete manner, pretty please? I've yet to see someone do that. Just a simple a priori definition will do.

 

No. According to the logic of skeptics, there is no basis to accept spiritual and religious claims. They are not supported by evidence, and they ignore evidence that contradicts their views.

 

Science does not support spirituality per se. It can and does study the human need and desire for such beliefs, however, as well as how people have such experiences. That, I think, comes down largely to neuroscience and the study of the brain.

 

I do have evidence of God. You, who you are, what makes you.........you? Life, the conscience and sub-conscience, the fact that nobody knows how life came to be, how our world or realm was even created, and what it pertains to, or what pertains to it. Nobody fully knows these things. The human brain, to this day the human brain is beyond any scientific comprehension, and nothing can compare to it's abilities. Everything man is capable of doing, what man is not capable of doing. So much evidence of our creator it's overwhelming. A tree, a bird, to you these just popped into existence from nothing. That is far more difficult to believe than the opposition. The tree, comes from one of the tiniest things on earth. The bird, with even it's own brain, thoughts, and struggles to survive.

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Few scientists (or anyone else) question "Spirituality" as it is an extremely obvious reality in our lives. What often occurs when religious people attempt to explain an hypothesis, is rebuttal based on observed realities they feel is an attack on their particular God. Basically science does no even attempt to disprove a God....but it easily shows that the versions created by men are not it.

 

There really is no one definition of Spirituality as it has a different meaning to different people.

The religious folk look at Spirituality as signifying the connection of a persons soul to a GOD.

Personally I see Spirituality as a person connecting with any specific thing or person they care about thus when I go hunting and I listen to the wind blow through the trees and feel it on my face and body I have a deep Spiritual Connection to Nature and the Earth.

So it's definition is variable.

AA

 

Hm, I guess then the question becomes rather ontological: do such subjective entities exist? I would argue that they don't. There is subjectivity (present everywhere to a certain degree) and then there is meaninglessness.

Question-begging, question-begging everywhere. The issue I have here is that "soul" requires a definition, "God" requires a definition (the Tri-Omni God has no positively defined attributes, and this definition is perhaps the most comprehensive one: Eastern philosophies are hopelessly vague on the matter) and a "spiritual connection" requires - you guessed it - a definition. One that explains the "spiritual" element, that is. Otherwise, all of these concepts are linguistically and thus (in my opinion) ontologically meaningless.

I may be one of those annoying people who wildly exaggerate the importance of their preferred academic field, but whatevs.

 

As I said there really is no single definition for Spirituality.

There is however a scientific theory I have developed working at MIT specific to the number of Virtual Quark/Anti-Quark Pairings that exist within Hadrons and I have developed a theory specific to the Numerics of these Virtual Pairings being an indicator of Causality.

This is part of Multiversal Theory which is another theory I developed at MIT as the Many Worlds Theory was too limited to account for Quantum Mechanics and M-Theory.

Unlike Many Worlds Theory.....Multiversal Theory includes Many Worlds into it as just a PART of Multiversal Theory.

Many Worlds Theory details out just ONE specific Baseline Reality Universal Grouping as the infinite number of Universes within the Many Worlds Theory all have the exact same Natural Physical Set of Laws.

In reality within any Infinite System all possibilities MUST EXIST.....thus in Multiversal Theory there are Infinite Numbers of the Many Worlds Model and each one having a completely different set of Natural Physical Laws.

Understand?

If you don't send me a PM and I will detail this out further.

AA

 

Actual it is possible to measure the brain waves of someone who is experiencing a spiritual state. From a scientific point of view it is a meditative state and yes, it is possible for anyone to learn how to reach that state of mind.

Furthermore those same scientific techniques have measured the equivalent "spiritual state" in the minds of other mammals.

So "spirituality" is not confined to humans alone!

I call myself a spiritual atheist because I acknowledge that this state of mind exists and that I can achieve it quite easily.

Now here is the part that theists don't like!

There is absolutely zero evidence that the spiritual state of mind has any connection whatsoever with any imaginary deity.

Religions have tried to subvert the spiritual state of mind and the state of awe and wonder as "evidence" for the existence of their deities. For that matter they have also subverted emotions like love, hate and guilt.

The spiritual state of mind is real but it is NOT evidence for any deity or religion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3957224/

 

Nice Post.

I would give you REP Points but it say's I have to spread them around more before I can give you more.

AA

 

You are slacking off again!



But I do appreciate the compliment, thank you!

 

I will tell you what.....I channel the Spirit of BUD MAN....every time I crack open a can of beer!! LOL!!

AA

 

If this "spiritual state" is a state of the brain, i.e. a state of matter concerning material processes, how is it spiritual at all? Surely it is just a material explanation for ostensibly spiritual phenomena.

 

It is most likely the transfer and sharing of Virtual Quark/Anti-Quark Pairings within the Hadrons of all Alternate Divergent Versions of a person existing in all Alternate Divergent Universal States of Reality within a Baseline Reality Universal Grouping within a Multiversal System.

This is also how Psychic ability works and yes....there are a number of Real Deal Psychics on the FBI, CIA and NSA Payroll.

AA

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It is most likely the transfer and sharing of Virtual Quark/Anti-Quark Pairings within the Hadrons of all Alternate Divergent Versions of a person existing in all Alternate Divergent Universal States of Reality within a Baseline Reality Universal Grouping within a Multiversal System.

This is also how Psychic ability works and yes....there are a number of Real Deal Psychics on the FBI, CIA and NSA Payroll.

AA

 

Uh-huh...are you getting at some modal realist type thing here? I don't see how else a description of the material Universe relates to spirituality. Are you postulating that spirituality exists in a possible world, and is therefore real?

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Exactly: matter.

 

This is a very complex concept as it has to do with Virtual Quark/Antiquark Numerics within the Hadrons that comprise the Atom's in a persons brain and body and the word Numerics is not even in a dictionary as it is a work that is specially developed for the description of this process.

Since there exists infinite numbers of you and me and everyone and everything else in infinite Alternate Divergent Universal States.....it is possible the Virtual Pairings are both shared and transferred between the Hadrons existing in your Atoms making up your brain to and from the Hadrons existing in the Atoms that make up the brain of all alternate versions of you.

AA