Smokers 'four times less likely' to contract Covid-19, prompting nicotine patch trials on patients

I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions.
Many things that you can be injected with in hospital are actually pretty toxic. Think of chemotherapy.
Tylenol is made from oil. Same oil from which your gasoline is made of. What do you think antibiotic is? It’s literally a substance that is toxic to some bacteria.
And if some substance is toxic to some bacteria, viruses or cells then it makes sense to investigate.

 

I didn’t look closely into the issue, but I don’t think trump actually suggested injecting or ingesting bleach. I believe he was talking about disinfectants and people ingest disinfectants every time they gather at parties, sometimes they do it on their own. That disinfectant is called ethanol, main component of liquor.

 

If he had said 'Drink till you Puke... and Kill the Corona as well', he would have looked less silly..

Marginally...

 

And there are just as many innocuous substances in nature that are deadly including lead and arsenic. My point is there is absolutely no relationship between the use of one chemical on one organism, and the use on another, especially with a virus.let science decide. Chemotherapy? We’re getting way off the track. Chemotherapy treatments run an entire gamut in cancer treatments.

 

What is funny is that smell wasnt an issue for half of my life .

I recall how cabs all smelled of years of stale tobacco smoke. It was a part of everyday life .

People were more chilled back then .

Back when we heated with wood or coal people smelled of that smoke too.

You would crap on yourself back then. But I prefer that era.

 

Screw tobacco....

Does Irish Whiskey kill the damn virus? Cause if so, my blood is my new 401k.

 

"You would crap on yourself back then. But I prefer that era. "

That was funny

My dad had a blue Ford pickup. No seat belts but that did not matter cause the kids always rode in the bed anyways

 

What is funny is that smell wasnt an issue for half of my life .

I recall how cabs all smelled of years of stale tobacco smoke. It was a part of everyday life .

People were more chilled back then .

Back when we heated with wood or coal people smelled of that smoke too.

You would crap on yourself back then. But I prefer that era.

Lol . I was trying to be funny .

Perhaps its the tar that coats the lungs that hinder the virus getting into the cells. They get stuck in it! !!!

 

I hear you...trying for a little humor, me too. You’re right. Most of us growing up were used to the smell. But the more you stay away, the worse it smells later.
Don’t have a clue why cigs would have any advantage. I don’t plan on trying it out either. All I know for is, many of those I knew that smoked over the years, are dropping like flies at a much higher rate then the virus ever could.

 

The virus has already conducted the study. The results are in. Smokers are under represented in all cases throughout disease progression. 1-3% is the range within which smokers with Covid-19 become hospitalized, are represented in ICU's, are placed on invasive ventilation. >3% of Covid-19 deaths are or have been smokers!

Smokers and past smokers represent over 25% of the population yet only present in 1-3% of Covid-19 patients needing care. That's a striking number that cannot be dismissed.

It's science. Nicotine effects blood vessel constriction through ACE2 (Angiotensin Converting Enzyme) by increasing the production of angiotensin II which constricts the blood vessels. Nicotine down regulates available ACE2 receptors.

Blood pressure medications, like Lisinopril work through the ACE2 system by decreasing the production of angiotensin II. As a result, blood vessels enlarge or dilate, and blood pressure is reduced. You might know them as ACE inhibitors. ACE inhibitors up regulate ACE2 receptors.

Covid-19 gains entry into the body through the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme. The number of ACE2 receptors available seems to have an effect on disease progression and severity.

Many studies show significant over represented presence of ACE inhibitors (blood pressure medications) in critical cases and those that result in fatality. Hypertension alone is a risk factor. Hypertension treated with ACE inhibitors seems to present in critical Covid-19 patients at twice the rate of hypertension untreated or treated with a different class of BP medication.

Trials and studies are happening in real time. This is science.

 

Lol. People are wimps today and the smell of smoke makes em crazy.

Too concerned about dying so they make everyone misetsble with their whining and demands.

They think they are gonna live forever if they stop all bad habits. Yet they will flock in droves to smoggy cities to frolic or choose to live there.

I prefer the earlier times with less bit-chiting. Now they went nuts and forbid smoking outside! Damned Marxism!

 

Very true . Growing up in a world filled with smokers condituoned me to not notice it even today. And I still love to smell aromatic pipe tobacco

Smoking is unhealthy but enjoyable . Lessens stress . But as the old saw goes ...tobacco is an evil weed. Because the devil sows the seed. It stains your fingers and burns your clothes and makes a smoke stack out of your nose !

Some say it is the revenge of the indians! They are still getting even !

I still enjoy an island smoke once a year on new years. A Cuban Punch Punch and my once a year single malt scotch or cognac! An epicurean delight ! But only once a year. Hell I aint gonna live forever!

 

Yeah - this is the ultimate in dangerously fake news.

 

It could just be that the virus is relatively slow to infect and the noxious chemicals in cigarette smoke deactivate the virus before its able to take hold in the tissue of people who smoke regularly.

I'm just guessing out loud here...

 

There seems to be some confusion here about nicotine. The drug nicotine is not the biggest danger from smoking. It is the by-product of smoking that harms the body, the smoke itself is what causes harm. Nicotine does have a positive effect on bacteria, will it help viral infections, I don't know. Whether it can be developed into a "clean" gaseous form that can be inhaled by infected patients as treatment is certainly worth researching.

In another study it was observed that smokers had a better outcome than ex-smokers.

On the other hand, China earlier reported that men were infected more than women it was assumed that the reason was that more men smoked. I believe that they pulled back from this and are suggesting that it might have more to do with hormones

 

We’ve all talked to enough ex smokers to realize that kicking the habit of nicotine can be as hard as any other drug induced vice.

We are a nation, like many, of addiction. Coffee, alcohol, weed, cocaine, nicotine, and HFCs and other food addictions. ...the list goes on. The key is to find those “addictions” that cause more benefit then harm, like the rush you get after an early morning workout.

 

Exactly. But it’s the nicotine that keeps you coming back for more. There aren’t many situations where “burning” organic matter doesn’t produce problem particulates. It’s literally air pollution like auto exhaust, truck and airplane . So, can polluted air decrease the the efficacy of a virus ? Short term, sure. But at what expense ? Might as well drink Lysol. You’ll just die of something else.

 

The early times ? When life expectancy was nearly half what it is today ? Eliminating cigarette smoking alone can add 20 healthier years to one’s life. In an age where the speed limits in some states are not 45 mph, but unlimited, sticking kids in 400 hp pick up beds is not a good idea. No one really cares, except your insurance company if you smoke.
But really, second hand smoke is a killer. Your right to kill yourself is fine, till it starts killing those around you.

Flocking to big cites to work is not because, that’s where the pollution is....it’s where the jobs are.

 

Huh ? No they don’t. We’re talking about commercial disinfectants that have warning labels on their containers. It was uninformed intent or he doesn’t know enough words in the English language to communicate properly. Either way, he’s a danger to all of us. He knows little of no science AT ALL.

 

I hope so... just had me some spade & bushell last night. Best to error on the side of caution

 

Many pleasures are not good for us. Lol Using force to control their use is a terrible idea . So let othets choose their poison but educate to minimize. That is the wise thing to do.

I will not give up my coffee ! Lol

 

All the state's AG's and all the AG's legal beagles couldn't put one dead smoker back together again.

But they did put a lot of money in the state's coffers, getting it from the coughers.

 

Mentioning it in a briefing versus mentioning it in a less official area are two different things.

I would hope the president isn't mentioning it until there is solid information to go on.

 

Yep and jim hood our old AG filled our state govt with big tobacco dough!

Will they go after the booze boys next?

 

That's a bit harder. You have to overcome the people who attend the political cocktail parties.

An old feller sitting on a bench whittling and doing lip gymnastics on a short butt is much easier to overcome.