Standing your ground while Black

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  1. Skillz

    Skillz New Member

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    Sorry, but 100% of you libs have already proven (repeatedly), via the Zimmerman case, that you have no comprehension of SYG laws whatsoever.

    Therefore, your analysis is worthless....just like it was proven to be in the Zimmerman case.
     
  2. mutmekep

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    Discouraging violent incidents by law is utopian? it may be the cultural gap here but i find your stance wrong in all possible ways.
     
  3. ThirdTerm

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    Marissa Alexander was convicted of attempted murder, which carries the 20-year minimum sentence, after she rejected a plea deal for a three-year prison sentence. She obviously misinterpreted Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which is not applicable to domestic disputes like this case. According to her former husband, she pointed a gun directly at him and his children and those were not warning shots aimed at the wall.

     
  4. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There is a telling statistic from Florida related to Stand Your Ground.

    http://news.yahoo.com/no-blacks-dont-benefit-floridas-stand-ground-law-133951308.html

    Whether the victim is white or not makes all of the difference in the world when it comes to Stand Your Ground in Florida. The killing of blacks and Hispanics is far more "acceptable" in our "white" society based upon cases of "Stand Your Ground" in Florida.

    On a commentary yesterday about the Zimmerman case the person (I don't recall who it was) stated that if Zimmerman had shot and killed a teenage white girl he would have been convicted of murder in a heartbeat. I can't say that's 100% true but it certainly rings of the truth. And before someone says that a teenage white girl couldn't kick the crap out of Zimmerman I would counter that I've known several that could.
     
  5. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Did you read the Tampa bay times article? It goes to the facts of each SYG case.

    If it makes you happy blacked are acquitted more then whites
    That will be racist too somehow...

    If Zimmerman was fighting a girl the idea it would be self defense would likely be harder to prove. Girls fight like girls.
     
  6. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    Educate yourself ................

    http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...r-ground-laws-than-whites.html#post1062879587
     
  7. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How does a person "stand his ground" when flat on their back with someone else on top of them?
     
  8. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    It was at HER HOME. Her Husband was there to pick up the kids when the argument escalated and before she went into her home to defend herself. The husband is the one who has a history of violence against his wife, who was convicted for defending herself against the aggressor, aka the husband.

    Look the husband knew what he was doing all along and intentionally escalated the conflict
     
  9. RP12

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    What dont you understand.... She LEFT and then CAME BACK armed and fired shot... Its not self defense if she was able to LEAVE and willingly came back and became the agressor.
     
  10. Thehumankind

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    I don't know if she do have the grounds,
    what she did could be construed as an assault
    an attempt to cause harm or else death.
     
  11. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Statistically only when they kill a black person. If they kill a white person then rarely, if ever, are they acquitted based upon Stand Your Ground. I'm not aware of even one anecdotal case of a black person being acquitted base upon SYG in Florida when the victim was white.

    As I noted in Florida it appears that it's more acceptable to "defend yourself" by killing a black person than it is to defend yourself and kill a white person based upon SYG statistics.

    Some "girls fight like girls" but many don't. I'd hazard a guess that 10% of girls between 17 and 21 could kick Zimmerman's ass.

    Zimmerman never had to prove, nor did his attorney ever establish, self-defense because that is a pre-trial assumption by the jury. The prosecution has to prove it wasn't self-defense. Huge difference.
     
  12. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The incident took place in her home where there was a restraining order against her husband. He was violating a court order in even being there. So we actually have a court that determined in advance that he represented a creditable threat of violence against her. Is it hard to believe that when he was there that day that he didn't represent that same threat of violence against her?

    How could he prove that he wasn't a threat when the court had previously determined he was? I don't think he could prove it and, because the incident occurred in her home, I would believe she was acting in self-defense.

    Of course me must remember that our criminal justice system is not based upon seeking out the truth. It's an adversarial process where either side will "hide the truth" if it contradicts their side of the argument. It has often been said that our "justice system" is really about the competency of the attorneys and is not based upon the facts or the truth and there is much merit in this opinion.

    Many also correctly cite the fact that minorities rely more heavily on "public defenders" while whites rely more on "private attorneys" and private attorneys are more successful in court than most public defenders.
     
  13. dixon76710

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    Lets see those statistics. Show us you dont just make this shiite up as you go along as usual.
     
  14. Iron River

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    You know that the safety of the public is way more threatened by young Black boys so you have to know that 78 to 56 is not in line with the ratio of who is committing crimes that could get them shot. It should be 78 to 22 and you also know that most of the 78% were killed by other Blacks so if there was a bias wouldn't the system convict the Blacks for killing other Blacks ever time?

    I would counter that if a very strong white girl with a record of fighting and being a burglar had attacked Z in the same way and he killed her the case would not have gone to trial at all. JJ and Sharpton wouldn't have forced the issue and the MSM wouldn't have reported the case at all.
     
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    this was just another case of over zealous prosecution by Angela Corey. Alexander should have been covered under the provisions of Florida's Castle doctrine which states any victim should be able to presume that an unlawful intruder is there for the purpose of doing great bodily, and subsequently places the victim and the victim`s family in great imminent peril. http://nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2005/2/florida-hb-249sb-436-castle-doctri.aspx?s= Near as I can tell is that Alexanders bf was a unlawful intruder. I don't think shooting over a child's head was such a smart thing to do though
     
  16. Windigo

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    Crime stats show thay blacks and hispanics are stastically more likely to be violent fellons then white people. So statically speaking we would expect to see proportionatly more legitimate claims of self defense against blacks and hispanics and more false claims against whites given their statistical tendency towards violent crime.

    What would be a statistical anomaly is if the ratio to legitimate to fraudulent claims were the same. Get back on your bike and stop trying to do stats.
     
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    I still wonder what the libs on this board are complaining about.

    The lady prosecutor is an anti-gun wacko.

    She tried to put Zimmerman in jail and succeeded in putting this woman in jail because a gun was involved.

    Libs should be complaining to the anti-gun nuts if they think the black woman has been unjustly convicted.
     
  18. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Martin did not have a criminal record related to either fighting or burglary and Zimmerman wouldn't have known that anyway. Zimmerman profiled Martin as a criminal because he was a black youth walking in the neighborhood that night. Everyone except bigoted racists can read the full transcript of Zimmerman's call to the police dispatcher knows that is a fact.
     
  19. RP12

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    Shiva i am disapointed in you. I suggest you listen to the unedited call again as you have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue.

    Never saw you as a race pimping troll but you are coming close.
     
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    At first Zimmerman only suspected Martin of being a thug.

    But he didn't know for sure until Martin punched him in the nose.

    Maybe Martin was not going to beat Zimmerman to death.

    Maybe he was only going to put a hoodie-style ass whooping' on him as Martin's girlfriend suggested.

    But instead of being able to do a victory dance over Zimmerman he (Martin) got shot instead.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The actual percentages of white on white crime and black on black crime is almost the same with less than a 10% difference as I recall. We can also note that the statistics are based upon "conviction" rates where "whites" typically have better legal representation than "blacks" because "blacks" typically depend on public defenders while "whites" use private attorneys that have a far better track record in getting their clients off or reducing felonies to misdemeanors though plea bargains.

    We must also address the issue of poverty which can lead to violent crime. A middle income person is far less likely to rob a bank than a poor person regardless of race but blacks have a much higher poverty rate than whites. Blacks that are denied equality of opportunity in employment are also more likely to become involved in black market criminal activities such as drug dealing which is controlled by street gangs. Once again this is driven by discrimination in employment against African-Americans.
     
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    You might as well have said blame the white devil..... It would have saved you time typing and us reading.
     
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    Of course having a prior criminal record contributes to the lack of jobs for blacks, assuming they want to work.

    Dealing drugs pays better than washing cars.

    Black culture in the hood almost guarantees failure for black boys when they grow up to be adults.
     
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    Yes, because NRA members are the ones causing all the problems, hehe=) Been outside the basement lately?
     
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    The sentence is a bit insane, but claiming this is SYG is even MORE insane.
     

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