Stop calling it Thomas Jefferson's Koran

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  1. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    And what Christians are killing people for their religion.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    many Christians have killed in the name of their God sadly....convert or kill was a Christian and Muslims tradition, that is why they are the biggest religions out there, they killed off the non-believers or tortured them to pretend they believed and scare others into silence about their disbelief

    but what does that have to do with the topic?
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    You mentioned Christians killing people on the same terms as muslims killing people.

    I asked what Christians are killing people for their God.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the inquisitions, the Indians, just for starters... though our history Christians have killed many in the name of their God

    in fact Bush said the middle east was a religious war... one he thought God told him to fight
     
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    So there are none, I see.

    Muslims do it today, and tomorrow, for their God.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christians doing it in recent history, but yes, Muslim fanatics are the king of that hill right now, Christians fanatics may be again tomorrow

    but both religions have their religious fanatics is the point, we should not judge all Christians or Muslims by their religious fanatics

    we have Preachers Molesting children, should we assume all Preachers molest children? should we assume all Christians would cover up for a child molester like those in the Christian church did?
     
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    Many people have died, by members of a religion,

    The Islamic religion has written instructions to kill certain people.
    The Christian religion does not.
     
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    so does the bible.. maybe Christians should remove that part of their God's words

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles+15:13&version=KJV

    2 Chronicles 15:13

    King James Version (KJV)

    13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
     
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    Fail

    So you are going to use Jewish text, written long before Christianity, to validate Christians killing for their God.
    The coming of Jesus changed the old laws.
     
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    that is in the Christian bible, remove it if you don't like it, funny how the Anti-gay stuff is OT and Christians pick and choose what to believe from the OT

    Muslims just like Christians and Jews have many bad things in their bible, but as they believe it is the word of their God, wont remove them - most just ignore them
     
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    That is in the Old Testament, Jewish writings, and the old ways.
    The New testament is Christian.
    I see you never had any Christian in your upbringing, by the way you read the religion.
     
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    so your saying God changed and became a better God in your version? then why have so many Christians killed in the name of their God?

    you mean this kind

    "Pastor: I punched a kid ‘as hard as I could’ for ‘not taking the Lord serious’"


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/...d-as-i-could-for-not-taking-the-lord-serious/

    I was raised Christians then later found the truth, same thing happened with Santa

    that said, I know many good Jews, Christians and Muslims, they all believe the good stuff but leave the bad stuff
     
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    @yasureoktoo,

    No sense in casting pearls before swine. They see the trees, yet refuse to see the forest.
     
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    People who belong to religions do lots of things.

    The point here is killing people for your religion.
    Muslims do that today.
    Christians were never ordered to kill, but many have committed various crimes.


    Islam has plain and simple orders, written countless times, to kill people for not being enough Muslim.
     
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    some Christians do it today too, look at Bush's religious war, Jesus rifles... really?

    "U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes"

    https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-m...bed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

    'Donald Rumsfeld's holy war: How President Bush's Iraq briefings came with quotes from the Bible"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-Bushs-Iraq-briefings-came-quotes-Bible.html

    "Bush: God told me to invade Iraq"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-6262644.html

    "9/11 George Bush - This Crusade Is Gonna Take A While ( Sept 17 2001)"

     
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    'Bush's war was hardly religious.
    Like any leader he called upon weak spots in his arsenal.

    You are still back to making excuses for the killing.

    In Islam the religion orders you to kill.

    In Christianity, it does not.
     
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    many Christians have used the bible to justify their convert or kill mentality

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13:6-10&version=KJV

     
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    Many Christians have done lots of things, probably everything that can be done.
    It does not mean that the religion orders it done.

    In Islam, the religion, in writing, orders you to kill people.


    And please, stop using Jewish text, pretending it is Christian.

    Christian text is the New testament.
     
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    the real point is, neither the koran or the bible have a place in government, we only have people swear on them as in hopes they wont lie... but that is not always the case
     
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    agree, most Christians and Muslims are good people that ignore the orders in their books to kill people

    it's words from the Christian God in the Christian bible, stop trying to play dumb, yes it makes your God look like a bad guy, as the church to remove the OT from the bible

    do the ten commandments no longer apply as from the OT too?

    you act like the OT God is not the same as the NT God, one is evil and the other good
     
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    I agree there.

    I think all politicians should be atheist.

    They are elected to serve the people, not their favorite sky daddy.
     
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    Except Christians don't have orders to kill people, Islam does.

    And we can see the Muslims are the ones doing the killing.
     
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    they should all be required to put the constitution above their religious laws for sure
     
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    sure they do, I just quoted you quotes from their God out of their bible

    you seem to think God got wiser and kinder with age
     
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    You quoted Jewish works, that even the Jews don't follow anymore.
     

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