Stop deluding yourself, you weren't even an average President.

Rosen: he received classified national security information. Yes, his parents' calls were looked at to see if he used their phone. That isn't "going after" them.

As for the rest of your post, can't you guys stay on one subject instead of pivoting to another after you lose an argument?

 

She was never tried because she resigned...

 

The entire use of - Identity Politics - was manifest
and on display each week by Obama hisself as Titular head.

 

That's not how it works.

 

In this cadse it did because there was no way in hell the Obama DOJ was going to try her for anything.

 

That's ALL ya gots.That James Rosen's Parents weren't hounded.
I just pointed out how Obama pulls this stuff.he uses thugs like
Al Sharpton to hound and persecute those not of the Leftist persuation.
Holder was a sneak and was trying like the dickens to have James
Rosen jailed.Exactly as Mueller is up to.
The left pulled this stunt against Scooter Libby and proved how to
beta test.They managed to have N.Y.Times Judith Miller jailed.
The Left in this country are Unamerican despicable scum.
Too many examples to have to prove.It's now a given.

 

She and her Hubby were Far left disciples.About as far left
as it gets working at the FEC { Federal Election Committee }
which is how Mueller tried to snare President Trump with a silly
Campaign Finance charge with some porn star.That Trump willfully
used some campaign Funds to pay off a loudmouth Porn star
pleading how Trump tried to pay for her silence.She took the dough.
She broke a NDA.Trump had every right to use private funds to stop
her from besmirching his reputation.
Lois Lerner also pulled a fast one.She knowingly gave a statement
before she pled the 5th.That is not allowed.By making a statement she
in effect waived her right on invoking the 5th.
She pulled the same thing months later,having her lawyer
{ William Taylor } confirm in an E-mail that she would testify.

 

So, now you're going to turn right around and crow when Der Furher boasts about virtually identical numbers.

 

Indeed, because thanks to Obama, Jimmy Carter is no longer in danger of going down in history as the worst president of the last one hundred years . . . just the second or third worst. I still haven't quite decided where I think G.W. Bush fits into that particular listing.

 

Obama had one quarter in 2015, Trump's had late 2017 and all of 2018 so far. Much stronger growth that doesn't coincide with any of the former president's policies.

 

Think of Carter as a good hearted man with great intentions who essentially sucked as president since he had the common sense of a goose.

 

Pssst . . . Clinton and G.W. Bush and Obama were all also caught with enemies lists. It seems something universal with presidents . . . left or right.

 

Your figures are wrong.

 

Then enlighten me to the hereto unknown strength of the Obama Economy.

 

I disagree. In 2008 the Mainstream Media pretty much blatantly worked to get Barack Obama into the Oval Office and then fanatically spun and covered from him no matter what he said or did and since that time the only meaningful check against their political propaganda and their manipulations has been the Internet.

 

Obama race-agitated pretty much at every possible opportunity.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/30/16945146/trump-economic-record

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ss-according-to-trump/?utm_term=.5151f3d28d94

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...rst-year-echoes-obama-s-record-on-the-economy

 

Okay, now let's be completely fair: Most of these articles(if not all of them) pre-date the June-August run of this year. We hit some really strong numbers, and we did it for reasons that the Left said we couldn't do, or was immoral to do.

Heaven forbid we ask for, and get better standards from Mexico. Heaven forbid we ask Canada to follow the same standards.(And on the report of job losses, Canada is looking to meet middle-ground, which I'm okay with.)

Heaven forbid we make the Chinese and the EU recognize that we're done being a slave-importing State(yes, by virtue of the cheap labor we basically imported cheap slave work.). While Trump did do something bizarre in not agreeing to terms with the EU, I would have, at least the discussion is there now. It wasn't in the past 20-30 years(meaning, preceding Obama as well.)

Outside of these tougher demands, it was said that it was impossible and perhaps climate-damaging to revive jobs.(The report on shaleing to be fair does concern me. If our oceans are poisoned, that(duh) means our drinking water. I'd like a further study and an analysis on how we can avoid tars and the like from entering the ocean.)

The left said our demands were immoral and unfair. Well, let's say they are immoral and unfair, they are pro-American. One might also say it's hypocritical(and I'd appreciate this argument more), we were against lobsided deals against us, why be for lobsided deals for us?

This is a fair argument to make. The answer is the same reason the EU/Canada/China pursued their favorable terms: Competitive advantage. While my personal opinions/desires(IE: Not withstanding the Trump Administration Tom) were to more 'equalize' the trade balance between each individual nation, I also recognized the interests and perhaps even the advantage of maintaining some deficits(IE: Surpluses for us.)

In my ideal world, shortening a significant number of the deficits, while gaining some surpluses would equal a grand total of being in the green on trade. The POTUS has a 'go big, or go home' mentality on trade. I will say I'm not sure I'm a fan of this, as going home would make future negotiations more difficult.

One would then note the increase in trade deficits, largely from increased imports. Now, trades are largely by corporations and not by government(also, we individuals buying online and it ships of course from say China or India or Portugal). So the 'bull market' has an impact there as well.

Not to say I'm happy with the development. While part of me does want to protect key industries in the United States, a bigger part of me recognizes the only way to reduce the deficit is to be WAY more of an exporter than an importer.

When we say 'export', there's two caveats: There's exporting businesses/factories(preferably bad) and then there's exporting retail(preferably good.) I want to reduce the exports of businesses/factories, and I'd rather have the global market buy US Items instead of US corporations.

If we can strike a balance there, and get rid of the vacuum as noted by Ross Perot, you'll see even more job growth. That I'm sure you'd find as 'unsustainable'. But with each and every birth, and with the necessity for working/producing, we'll have continual growth in our country.

 

The subject was your false claim that Trump's economic growth figures were better than his predecessors.

I dispatched that so thoroughly that you had to manufacture a qualifier, and then veer off on a long and rather empty rant that ignored the fact that you had been debunked.

Now you're trying to base all your claims on the results of one quarter, and then only the preliminary results at that.

Of course you won't acknolwedge that Obama had one similar quarter, or that no economist anywhere expects Trump's one really strong quarter to be repeated.

Unilateral trade wars are not good for the world economy nad will hurt the very people cheering for it loudest the most.

Manufacutring jobs in the US are not rising significantly. Indeed, any gains in basic metal industries are being offset by layoffs in industries that rely on the now more expensive taxpayer subsidized raw materials.

Trumpism has a large myth at its core. The nonsensical belief that somehow high pay low skill union jobs are going to come back in steel mills (only without the union).. It's pure Archie Bunkerism. And it makes no sense at all. Manufacturing hasn't even been half the US economy since 40 years before you were born.

Protectionism has never worked one time in human history. But it is a great way to undermine trust and destroy the economy of previously healthy countries. Isolationism has contributed to two world wars, and will leave us powerless to influence the broader world if bullying and cheap insults continue to be at the core of US policy.

No society has succeeded in its future by retreating into the myths of its past. But that is the core of Trumpism.

Trumpism is a fraud promoted by a crooked carnival barker for the benefit of losers sitting around the bar singing "Those Were the Days".

 

The national economy was stagnant for eight years under Obamanomics; and it doesn't matter what leftist or RINO generated statistics have been manufactured saying that up was actually down or that in was actually out. People living under Obamanomics KNEW that the national economy sucked.

The moment that Trump beat Hillary Clinton, however, the stock market roared into life and began skyrocketing and businesses began reinvesting in their own businesses once again and the nation SAW that happen before their very eyes, and so, no; nobody but already indoctrinated leftists or the dumbest of 'independents' are going to swallow leftist propaganda whole and unexamined on this issue. The roaring national economy is due strictly to Trump.

 

Making stuff up doesn't change the fact that the American economy grew at a very steady and stable rate from the summer of 2009 until the present day, (something that I have already documented on this thread), which makes your post false.

Once again, a Trumpster makes an absurd and obviously false blanket statement, one that is not supported by any fact at all.

This is a pattern with you Trumpsters now. Just make it up and spew it out. No matter how obviously false or absurd.

 

This thread is a total bore. Trump is the president, Obama is long gone.

 

But, but, but...…..

In Trumpster world, Obama and Clinton are still there. The Trumpsters rant about them every single day!

 

24/7, good lord.

 

Nixon wasn't so bad.

Nixon just ****ed up when he refused to appoint the Associate Director of the FBI, Mark Felt (Deep Throat) as G. Edgar Hoover's replacement as the Director of the FBI.

Lessons that Trump didn't learn, no President should ever piss off the leadership of the FBI because they get butt hurt so easily. and they will try to remove you from office.