Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults

You're right. It is the nature of a parasite to suck the life's blood out of whatever host it can attach itself to. You could give people $500 a month, or $2,800 a month... it makes no real difference except in terms of what the free-market dictates that things are priced at, relatively. A parasite is a parasite, and will never be anything else....

 

I've been there. Great place. But yes, it's expensive.

 

$33 grand a year for nothing more than uptaking oxygen?

 

if there is enough money to do that... why not. Isn't it Kuwait that pays it's citizens off of oil profits?


However, until we are out of debt as a country, or at least able to do said technique while running a balanced budget, then the US has no business even entertaining this idea.

 

then study and get a scholarship.....


But I'm going to call BS on the "can't afford" line. I didn't have scholarships and paid for a community college portion of my college with ZERO LOANS. When I got to university, I accepted loans... but I paid for college myself.


I did so by hard work and sacrifice. I didn't knock anyone up, I didn't drink or smoke or party my funds away like so many who "can't afford" to go to college.


having kids at 19 is what kills college educations more than anything it seems. There's a couple of ways to prevent that, but all take discipline.


if you want college, ANYONE can afford to. Some make bad choices with their money though

 

Getting good grades doesn't always mean you'll get a scholarship, let alone a good one.

Speaking of BS...

If you didn't have a good education, how did you get a good job to put yourself through community college -- paying rent, food, maybe a car, etc. while paying tuition, books, etc. Most people who don't have a good education don't get that kind of job.

In other words, people born poor tend to stay poor. I've had to help a few friends finish college -- and those were state colleges -- even after working all summer and getting loans. They had no rich mommy and daddy to pay for school, let alone ivy league.

Speaking of ivy league schools, with tuition of up to $50,000/year, how long would it take the average person to save up this amount? Again, that's just one year. The only poor kids who get into these colleges are minorities who get scholarships from those schools so that they like a whiteopia that demonstrates social inequality in action.

Yeah, hard work always pays off. Like those who have to work just to get a welfare check. Or those who work several jobs and are still poor. The American Dream is a thing of the past. You have better chances of winning the lottery than seeing your hard work pay off enough to buy a nice home and raise a safe, healthy family.

FASD, mental illness, mental disability, physical disability, lack of education, poverty, addiction....

Not everybody has total control over their destiny. You're preaching neoliberal ideals that we're all rational actors who are always in control and choose our own destinies. Not everyone is disciplined. Not everyone can work. Not everyone can work well. Not everything is black and white.

No. That is not true. Some states, like CA have good scholarships. There are even "professional students" who take advantage of them. But some states have horrible scholarship programs and you are screwed if you want to improve your life with a good education.

Implying that people are uneducated entirely due to their own circumstances is unfair. As I mentioned above, often, many people don't have complete control over their lives. Some people fall through the cracks of the social safety net that is far from perfect.

We are not all born with equal opportunity. Look around.

 

I love free stuff.....

 

My "good job" was flipping burgers at Wendys. I started at 4.50 hour in 92, graduated highschool in 93, and it took me 4 years to get through Community college because I had no scholarships and couldn't afford to go full time. By the time I left Wendy's, I was making 8$ hour (unheard of then) and pulled about 75 hours a week during the summer because I knew hours would be lean in the winter, plus that's when I took college classes and pulled about a grand every 2 weeks and simply put it straight in the bank. I didn't blow it on fancy cars. My parents didn't pay a dime. I made it work.

again, rich or not (which mine are not rich by any definition.... they do fine... but middle class all the way) did not pay a dime for my college, books, or my rent. I went on to a state university too.

ivy league schools are a new level. You simply said "college" before. Sorry.... but college can be paid for without having a legacy involved. I was the first to go to college in my family.... my kid is expected to go to at least what I did... and strive for +1 what I achieved. That is how families get old money.

economic choices were made by everyone during their life. If you want to be able to afford to raise a kid... don't spit 3 out before you're 21 and then complain you can't get an education or training necessary to earn more than minimum wage.

When I watched coworkers at Wendy's buying stereo systems for their new trucks/cars, and I had to continue to drive a clunker with 150k miles.... it sucked. I wanted that same stuff they had. But I deferred my gratification until after I met my goals. I made smart choices, and now, when I order a Baconator combo.... I notice my former coworkers, still making min wage while I enjoy life now.

yes, life sometimes throws you a curveball like a disease.... like the kidnapped girl in Clevland by Castro. This girl is what, 24 with no highschool education. She's screwed and it's not her fault

but lack of discipline..... too bad so sad. That's what seperates the haves from the have nots. It's why I was an allstate wrestler while my teammate, who was a much better athlete, was not. It's why I have my dream job, and other wendy's coworkers are still flipping burgers

then work for it.... I paid for college. I had to make hard economic choices.... as my then best friend chose to buy nice cars with the money he had (because he still lived at home with no bills), I chose to use that same money and continue to drive a beater and pay for my A.A. degree.


I didn't say it was EASY to go to higher education.... I said it was possible. Problem with people today is, if it's not easy or free.... it's deemed impossible.

 

How in the world do you figure free money for nothing works in the long run?

The progressive lefts agenda is so backwards and ridiculous, its almost unbelievable.

"Gimme, gimme, gimme". LIke (*)(*)(*)(*)ing 4 year olds.

 

I can't find the part in the Constitution that says the role of government is to tell companies - whether privately owned or publicly traded - how much they can pay their executives.

 

I'll say it again... nothing wrong with rewarding citizens if the country is making money off of resources hand over fist. Kuwait is a prime example. They pay profits from oil to their citizens. But they have the money.


To say this could work in the US is dishonest because I'm sure Kuwait is not running a Trillion dollar debt and I'm sure their budget is balanced to allow for them to do this.


So until one or both of the debt problem and budget problem is fixed here in the US, it's not that the US doesn't care like they should... it's just impossible. A problem leftists can't grasp when they think simply printing more money makes people richer

 

Great post.

I too paid for my own college, joined the military for the GI bill, and worked several jobs through a state university eduction.

The people who claim its impossible simply are making excuses to attempt to justify their position and validate confiscating your money they think they deserve.

Its getting ultra disgusting among these isolated factions of our society who think they are entitled to jack squat they didn't earn.

 

That's a good point. If we had a homogenous society with a single culture, people would be more willing to empower the Government to take care of their fellow citizens. But in America? Would whites in Wyoming want their money to go toward black gangbangers in Chicago? Mexican cholos in Chula Vista? Progressive Elites in New England? Would those groups care at all about the white people in Wyoming?

Balkanized countries could never do this, and that is what America is, except on paper.

 

It's related toward whether people would vote for such an idea, or not. A country where everyone looks the same, speaks the same language, and has the same culture would be more willing to sacrifice for the good of their community. This has been destroyed in America because of progressive policies.

 

Of course! Who doesn't like the idea of receiving checks in the mail for doing absolutely nothing! Mooching FTW!

 

Don't worry about the poor rich people, they will still get bonuses, expense accounts, stock options, retirement, other benefits out the wazoo, that will not be considered "wages/salaries" and most won't even be considered "taxable income".

 

Wow, your very first reply post on OP and already the race card...good job lefty!!!!

 

We already have a system like this for workers , it's called min wage . For non workers , we have welfare...social security , unemployment , etc ....

 

Huh? It has to do with what percentage are producers and what percentage are moochers.

 

Depends on the qualifications. If it is truly the unable to work, due to mental or physical situations beyond their control, might be reasonable, but if they are just going to allow anybody who just decides not to work, abuses drugs, any illegal who can jump the border and download a citizen, or is just useless, then they will get to a point where it will become unsustainable. Basically where we are today.

 

Because no matter how productive, you will always have a percentage that are moochers. It also depends on how your view of where responsibility lies. Is it the individual's responsibility to be productive and they reap what they sow, or is it the villages' responsibility to raise the idiot?

It's already a given that there absolutely will be those who are truly in need and deserve welfare, but the problem is there are also going to be those who expect it, play the system, mooch off the system. The more and the better these welfare "benefits" the larger your moocher class will become.

The problem expounds when the government has to increase the draw on the producing class to cover the welfare for those who need it, and also the increasingly larger mooching class.

The moocher classes, after several generations, become so ingrained in the handout, it is expected (and thus, the entitlement mentality). They clamor for more and increased benefits.

When the benefits reach a point that it becomes a desired lifestyle over actually putting forth any effort to work for it then you have a big, BIG problem (much like we have here in the U.S. now).

It's America, if you choose to live in a total (*)(*)(*)(*) hole for a home in order to drive a luxury car, that's your choice. I just have a problem when I'm the mother(*)(*)(*)(*)er paying for it.

Welfare is supposed to be assistance, not an entire lifestyle. Prison here is following in the same footsteps. Since when is jail supposed to be comfortable? I have a person in my family that has been in jail numerous times. He actually told us that he prefers to go to jail sometimes because it's three meals a day, they have A/C in the summer, heat in the winter and he can get a college education. He says the only bad part of jail is that he can't do his heroin or smoke weed.

So, when the welfare is substantial enough to be a "lifestyle" and jail an acceptable alternative to working a job and providing for yourself, this is what we get.

Throw in the race card and that just muddles it all up and any attempts at true reform instantly become racial issues.

 

Did you ever live in Switzerland?

 

But if it's my company, why do I need your approval to give myself a raise?

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So maybe they shoulda went to law school and became an associate at a New York Law firm.

 

Ain't much in life that's "simple", except sittin on your ass and whining about it. All depends on how bad you want it.

 

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Three problems I see immediately with that suggestion.

1. Not everyone is cut out to be that or at all interested in pursuing such work.
2. Such positions are limited. Not everyone can go be that.
3. Such positions are not very productive economically. I tend to view the entire legal profession this way. Better to trade in the lawyers and their little helpers for producers of real goods and services.