The Gop just locked up the midterms

lol, republican will lose many seats this midterm, don't kid yourself

 

exactly, all republicans have to do is add in protections for dreamers to the bill, something 90% of America supports, Republicans prefer to shutdown the government over doing this .... that is just crazy

 

If the polling is correct, this is not the case. The Dreamers are an issue for most americans and it seems they want these people given some kind of status so they can stay and eventually be citizens. They were conditioned to be americans, at least in some sense, many of them. Mexico would be like it would be to us if we were forced to live there. Who in the hell wants to live in mexico, unless one is rich and can live above the poverty and drug cartel? Mexico has always been a sh*thole for its average people. Not much of a middle class down there.

 

All the democrats are at fault because None of them voted on a budget. On 16 republicans are at fault. Let's put blame on those who voted for a shut down and not those who didn't.

 

yep, then when dems take control in 2018 and 2020 they would be able to use it.....

 

no one voted for a shutdown, republicans failed to put forth a bill that could get enough yes votes

they could not even get 100% of the republicans to vote for it

add protections for the dreamers, and it passes, why is that so hard?

 

They knew the government would shut down if they didnt vote and they did it anyways.

What do protections for the dreamers have to do with the budget? That will be part of the immigration bill and with the DACA not expiring Friday there is no reason to mess with Americans who need this budget.

 

and republicans knew if they did not add in protection for dreamers they would not get the votes, yet did it anyways

if republicans wont add protections to protect dreamers to open the government, what makes you think they will do it by March

 

What do the dreamers have to do with the budget?

 

without it, they do not have enough votes

Trump made this is a issue

this is something most in both parties want, makes no sense not to add it to open the government

 

Not our problem though, we need to take care of our own citizens.

 

Not the point, why are illegal immigrants more than american citizens, what the heck is wrong with you?

 

this only addresses the dreamers... and increased border security

not sure why republicans want to hurt Americans rather then protect dreamers and increase border security

 

I still don't get why anyone is discussing DACA in a budget bill... Why are the dems talking about that now instead of during the immigration bill?

 

dreamers are Americans in all sense of the word other then on paper, they came here as children and know of no other country then the USA, this is their home

Trump made this a issue when he recended the protections for dreamers, Trump wants congress to address this, so they need to address it

 

if repubs wont add it now to open the government, how do you expect them to do the right thing a month from now

Trump asked for a bipartisan bill of love for the dreamers, let's vote on the one 3 republicans and 3 democrats came up with

Trump is not leading, Republicans do not know what he wants, he says one thing one day and another the next depending on who he last spoke too or what tv show he last watched

#TrumpShutdown

 

most Americans, republican and democrat want to protect the dreamers

Trump did too, until he realized the alt-right did not - that is why we are where we are, this is the Trump Shutdown

Trump has to decide, side with most Americans, or side with the alt-right on this issue

 

Trump still supports DACA. I am not sure where this is coming from about the AltRight.... It's only a matter of ensuring that what happened in the past does not happen again where we give amnesty to undocumented immigrants but don't fix immigration allowing for a continuous cycle of immigration and then amnesty. Dems won't vote to fix the laws and further prevent the federal government from enforcing existing law.

 

If the DACA issue is supported by most Americans as Dems say why not have a separate bill that all can support rather than shut the govt down? With Senate filibuster rules the Reps can't do anything. Dems for illegals rather than American troops and CHIP program denying HC coverage for children, try and explain that.

 

Independents do also, care about personality and the lack of presidential behavior. Trump has dropped from a 48% approval/favorable rating on inauguration day down to a 34% approval/favorable today among independents. Yet when one goes over the list of 16 issues/policies, one finds seven in which independents favor and nine in which they oppose. that's almost 50-50 which in normal times would mean an approval rating of around 50% if only policy and results were involved.

Here's a good article from Gallup. Trump Approval Lower Than U.S. Mood Might Predict

http://news.gallup.com/poll/225467/...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

So what is holding him back from that 50% approval or higher? I say it's his persona, his obnoxcious, egotistical, unpresidential behavior. At least among independents and perhaps a few democrats that might have been willing to give Trump a chance.

 

Or 100% of Dems to vote against it, playing politics since those no votes are from Trump won red states.

 

We made it our problem when we refused to address illegal immigration and then allowed the parents and kids to stay here once they arrived here. How could we have stopped it? Go after the carrots that enticed them here, american business who loves to hire illegal cheaap labor. Give these employers 5 years mandatory prison time and an 800 number for other businesses and citizens to report the criminal employers, with a reward, and we would not have dreamers. Lest we remove the carrots, illegal immigration will continue forever. Gotta face reality in order to change it.

 

Talk to McConnell.

He had four or five GOP senators that would not vote for his bill, and you blame the Dems? Really?

 

Understand that opening the government is going to require permitting the Dreamers to stay legally with a pathway to citizenship and the right to bring their families to America.

 

The vast majority of Americans support DACA (84% vs 11%) as do Democrats. If Republicans insist on opposing the vast majority of Americans, that does help to seal their fate in the midterms. Trump was already a hefty pantload for them to bear, and their opposing most Americans certainly doesn't help them.