The Gruesome Reality of Racist South Africa

You're simply ignoring the urban sociological conditions generated by economic poverty that generate crime. And of course you're also ignoring the greater allocation of law enforcement resources to "policing" the minority populations of large cities.

Well, essentially, our capitalist-racist society ordains for urban African Americans, and other minorities, the poverty-based sociological conditions which push some of them to commit infractions of the law, and then law enforcement and the “criminal justice” system pounces and consigns another threatening black or brown man to a life in captivity in the prison-industrial complex, where he’s rendered no longer a threat to the order that must be maintained for the dominant white race and the preponderately Caucasoid ruling class to remain socioeconomically and politically dominant.

 

Ha!

I honestly didn't expect you to have any evidence, but it's always nice to see it confirmed.

 

Ah, the ole If something doesn't have the same effect on everyone it doesn't have that effect on anyone line of reasoning. According to this simplistic line of reasoning we shouldn't view rape or child molestation as horrific crimes that ruin lives because some victims are more robust survivors and not basket cases. And furthermore, according to this quite lame line of reasoning, in the cases of individuals whose mental well-being is destroyed, we should literally blame the victim, we should say to these individuals: "Hey look, don't try to tell me that being raped has devastated your mental health, there are other victims who didn't suffer a breakdown. Your mental condition is your own responsibility, don't try to assign the blame to your rapist." Well, you're essentially applying the same reprehensible reasoning to the victims of our society's structural racism and uncompassionately denying the profound significance of the impact of economic disempowerment and poverty on their lives. Yes, this is indeed a quite uncompassionate and feeble argument, shame on you for using it.

 

I think he was saying that the typical liberal argument that "poverty causes crime" does not hold water, since he was able to give instances where people experienced poverty but did not resort to crimes.

 

I noticed you didn't quote my entire message (in fact you didn't even quote my entire P.S. because you can't handle discussing the whole truth and nothing but the truth, just whatever you can bend and twist into meaning something else with your racism blinders), I guess we'll have to ignore that since you clearly don't want to get into all of it since you can't defend it... fine lets move on to the tired old rhetoric you used to dismiss and deflect what I stated... which ironic enough, your "sociological" and "economic poverty" and insert every other buzz word you can, ultimately proves my points correct, that you can NOT explain away the extremely important point I demonstrated, you can only spew rhetoric...

I said....

if all your buzz words, "make" people criminals, WHY do we not see this replicated in the rural areas, where we have all your buzz words applicable as well? why in the poor rural areas do we have ALL the same economic conditions of poverty, yet we have a FRACTION of the criminal activity? see your rhetoric and buzz words don't explain about this immense logic fail... all you do is spin and deflect and chase your own tail, you NEVER addressed this single critical point I made... you ran away from it...

in order for your theory to hold true, we must be able to replicate the same results as we do in these other areas if you're blaming economic conditions as the problem... yet we see those in rural areas with the same bleak economic conditions, have far less criminal activity... your entire theory collapses upon itself when we means test it...

and I'm not just talking poor white areas, there are an immense number of poor black rural communities, that have low crime numbers... so how can your theory hold up if we can't apply the logic to other economic disadvantaged (or whatever todays buzz phrasing is)... your theory only holds up in one area, where all the criminals congregate! and criminals are attracted to high density areas so they can find many victims... its not that high density areas turn them into criminals, its just thats what criminals are attracted to, more opportunity, and they see more opportunity in high density cities... its not that being poor made them criminals, they just moved into the areas with the best opportunity to be a criminal, blend in, and have access to a lot of victims...

you see I can explain it away in a scenario that does not say poverty = criminals... so poverty is not the end all be all solution and answer ignore everything else, its a very minor part of the pie, and you seem to think its an all frosting cake... its not... millions of poor black people, live an entire life without being a criminal, because its a choice, not a result of being poor and they are forced into criminal slavery... save the rhetoric for when you get around all your like-minded bubble people who clearly never challenge your assertions, because thats not going to work out in the real world where rhetoric doesn't apply, and only cold hard facts do...

so if you want to keep spewing the word "sociological" in the future, why don't you go study poor black americans in rural areas, and be amazed at their low crime rates... and then rethink your entire premise that poverty turns people into criminals... it doesn't...

take off your kool-aid colored glasses, they're screwing with your ability to see whats right in front of you...

 

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I'd kill Hitler before the Holocaust, but not before. He was doing good things, for the most part, before around 1939.

 

Ah, the ole don't hold anyone responsible for their choices argument.

You didn't answer my question. What is keeping blacks, or anyone, from going to school and doing what needs to be done to improve their situation? What racism keeps them from doing this? What racism keeps them from going to school and getting an education?

Don't tell me it can't be done. If I can do it then so can others. I am nobody special that just got things handed to me.

And I didn't resort to violence because of my circumstances.

 

Yes, heaven forbid that we recognize that the capitalist system and the economic inequality that it imposes on minorities produces any negative effects. Yes, it's much better if we just keep insisting that capitalism's victims internalize blame for their unhappy lot. (This is sarcasm, btw. I thought that I should point that out, as many of the participants in this thread are deplorables, who aren't too swift on the uptake, after all.)

 

Mm-hmm, in your book responsibility should be portioned out to the individuals who commit crimes, to the welfare mothers who poorly raised them, to the welfare system, to the "liberal politicians" who've given us our welfare system, to the drug abuse epidemic, etc., to just about everyone and everything except the capitalist system and the pathological sociological conditions that it generates. Oh well.

 

Perhaps you can explain how the capitalist system generates pathological sociological conditions, i.e., worse than any other system. Are the poor worse off under capitalism than under any other economic system? (Short answer: No, they are better off.) Is crime, drug use, teen-age pregnancy, gun violence, etc., noticeably lower in less capitalistic countries? (Short answer: No, they are worse.) Is income noticeably more fairly distributed in less capitalistic countries? (Short answer: No, income is less fairly distributed because it's based on government power, crime, bribery, and corruption instead of free economic choices.)

It's rare in real life to have a perfect laboratory setting comparing one system with another, but we have one in the economic realm, North Korea and South Korea. North Korea has been following an almost perfect Communist system for 60 years while South Korea has been following a more or less perfect capitalist system for the same time. Everything else is equal, the IQ of the population, the access to mineral wealth, access to markets (US for SK, Soviet Union & China for NK), and yet the difference in wealth between the two is staggering. South Korea is now one of the richest countries on earth while North Korea is one of the poorest. How ANYONE with a modicum of access to the internet today can still support communist and socialist policies over capitalist ones staggers the mind. How have China and India turned their struggling nations around? By embracing the free market, CAPITALISM. Perhaps it's time the US did, too!

 

Everyone has some responsibility. Isn't that one of the basic things we teach our children? That you are responsible for your actions?
Now, yes there are a lot of things that need fixing. Don't know that we will ever see it with all the corruption around us. We are probably about to elect one of the most corrupt so don't count on it any time soon (I hope she proves me wrong, I hoped Obama would but look at us now).
The only thing we can do about corruption in politics is vote the corruption out but we can't seem to do that. Realistically, I don't know that it can be done.

In the meantime, each individual has to do their part to help themselves. That starts with going to school and making an attempt to better your situation. How many are actually doing that? Whose choice is it when a kid drops out of school?
BTW, you have yet to answer what is keeping any child of any colors from going to school and getting an education.

 

lol at you, you cut out my entire message because you can't answer the questions I pose that challenge the very basis of your entire premise... so once again, try answering this... why do poor black people in rural america, have SIGNIFICANTLY lower crime rates than poor black people in urban america... in order for your theory to hold true, the poor black rural people must have a similar crime rate as those in the urban areas, but they do NOT, its not even close... your entire premise has failed...

 

I don't think Janster's blog post, which was based on analysis from another blog post, is credible. He comes up with a figure of 169 murders per year, yet the source he quotes from (here) admits that 1-2% of the white population of South Africa has been killed since the end of apartheid in 1994. If there are 5.3 million whites in South Africa at the time, that would be 53,000 whites killed over a period of 19 years, putting the figure at close to 3,000 per year, which is based just on 1% of the population.

If this problem wasn't occurring, I highly doubt the Genocidewatch project would mention it in their reports, but they have:

http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Countries_at_Risk_Report_2012. pdf

The leader of the country has sung "Kill the Boer" on several occasions, and even Nelson Mandela has stood by while a song about killing whites was sung.

[video=youtube;d5TD2HpXcH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TD2HpXcH0[/video]

But your reply is typical of what I would expect from the left wing. If there was a targeted effort to eliminate whites from society, there would be a sizeable minority of whites who would either ignore it, deny it exists, and make excuses for it. There were over 3,000 murders of whites in 10 years in South Africa, which is about the same as the number of blacks killed by the KKK in nearly 90 years, but we have left-wing excuses for the former, not the latter.

 

It does no such thing. Whether or not the murder rate for blacks also increased during this time period has no effect on the claims I made in the OP.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

 

Left-wing Democrats want to import a bunch of hard core Islamic jihadists. How are they better?

 

If Donald Trump got elected, and started singing "Kill the Blacks" with a bunch of white supremacist groups, I wonder how many left-wingers in this thread would chock up the ensuing white-on-black murders as nothing more than statistics? Wait, actually I don't wonder, because the answer would be zero.

In South Africa the leaders of the Government can openly encourage the murder of whites, and when it occurs, left-wing whites in the West make excuses for it. Unbelievable.

 

I think you just highlighted liberal and leftists' hypocrisy and double-standards very well, Brew. Bravo.

 

Why not read the actual studies proving that whites are the least likely to be murdered in South Africa?

https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

 

You already used that source. I countered it by more credible sources like NBCnews and BBC. They both confirmed my claim that over 3,000 white farmers have been killed in the past decade.

 

I see you didn't even bother to read the peer reviewed article I posted that directly refutes your claim. Whites murders and assaults on whites in South Africa under perform their population base. Assaults on blacks and mixed race over perform their population base. There is NO government sponsorship of killing whites in South Africa. Your claims are thoroughly debunked and stem from racial animus.

https://issafrica.s3.amazonaws.com/site/uploads/CQ30SILBER.PDF

You should also be careful what sites you cite. According to Genocide watch the U.S. is in stage 10 of denying our genocide of native Americans and stage 6 against African-Americans. So if you want to go by that website we are worse off in our treatment and genocide of African-Americans than South Africa is against White Boers.

 

The GLARING difference being, you really want to import those racist scumbags for your cause, whereas NOBODY in their right minds wants to import hard core Islamist jihadis. Granted the extreme left is as looney tunes as the extreme right, but even they aren't that friggin' looney.

 

So the leader of the country sings "Shoot the Boers" and that isn't a Government sponsored killing of Boers?

How progressive.

If there's a genocide against blacks in this country it's due to other blacks. But that's a separate topic.

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So every white South African is a "racist scumbag" according to you?

How progressive.

 

Of course not.
But, I believe in my heart of hearts that murdering raping pedophiles should be removed from the gene pool as rapidly as possible, a la Russian justice, upon a guilty verdict, taken downstairs to a suitable easy clean room and shot in the back of the head within the hour. No messing, no fooling. I may be pro-choice, but when it comes to abuse of children my inner father just goes friggin nuts.

 

You can only do so much and he was referring to an absolute guarantee, which is of course a useful rhetorical but it is a given that no system is foolproof. Improving the system on the other hand is always a good thing, especially since disrupting systems is exactly what these scumbags want. Information warfare is asymmetrical after all.