The Impossible Photo

Stuff ups happen all the time in all walks of life. We are talking about a government that blew up one of its own submarines by accident....and then spent months blaming NATO (love to know how many people on this board went along with that lie). Looks like someone screwed up with the nerve agent, either application, concentration, durability at fatal levels etc.

I do love their alibi. Fly across Europe to see stonehenge and then don't actually see it. The funniest thing is that all these people who have been screaming about how unbelievable the UK government is have suddenly gone quiet now that Russia has torpedoes their transparently stupid 'fake photos' conspiracy and replaced it with something so monumentally stupid that deep down even they know it is BS.

 

Surely you mean 'not see'.

Anyway, there is clearly no issue with the alibi. last weekend I flew to China to see the Great Wall. There was a bit of rain, so I flew straight back home without seeing it. That is a normal weekend for me. Didn't see Angkor, Halong Bay & the Burj Khalifa all in the past few months. Racking up monster frequent flyer points.

 

Wow that was some achievement - to be able to get the Street of Shame's journalists back at their typewriters after a 3-hour lunch break?

 

I’m sure there just really busy with stuff, otherwise they’d be here explaining how it’s still a conspiracy/false flag/.....

Nothing to do with the fact it’s blown up in their faces.

 

Interesting. I didn't know that. It certainly clarifies the attitudes that present. I knew there were two military/intelligence type posters here because I've seen their work in action here on the forum - for example, without naming names one posted the geographical location of my ISP - and yet I am assured has no role in the forum management. He also posted another members ISP geographical location too (which was what prompted my interest). Another one was able to watch me type a post before I posted it on the forum and posted to that effect - and this was no idle boast either for reasons I want bother going into.

 

"City" hours is what it was called: 10am to Noon. and 3pm to 5pm (unless you nipped off early).

 

Despite all the lying this government has been caught out on, you still want to believe this, don't you? I find it quite bizarre that you refuse to even consider the fact you're being fooled.

 

Ah those were the days? lol

 

As promised yesterday I now reply to your post: I entirely take your point so far as the balance of probabilities is concerned, but it's still such a coincidence that they and nobody else actually discovered the container, because nobody else would have started sniffing it to get a 'high'; anyone else would have seen it was viscous therefore not be able to use the vaporiser. But then was it viscous, or was it in powder form, because one of the early reports said the novichok had been sprinkled on the food in Zizzis, and had been 'smeared' on Skripal's door handle. I also made an error with the '100 other bottles', because looking for a link this morning I'd confused it with '100 police have been detailed to look for another suspected perfume container which hasn't been found'.) And while I was searching this morning, I noticed this . . .

“There is still concern that a second perfume bottle containing Novichok may not have been discovered. “A number of areas, including landfill sites, have been examined and those searches have now concluded without anything being found.” (link below)

I mean landfill sites? Would anyone seriously believe a small bottle could be found on, of all places, landfill sites? No, there are too many inconsistencies, and nothing will alter my conclusion that the entire exercise was an extremely expensive charade. The only other thing it could have been was a monumental political over-reaction.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...ripal-nerve-agent-second-bottle-russian-spies

 

You bark too soon.

I agree that the narrative provided by the two Russians is highly dodgy - at least based on the limited clips provided by British media thus far.

In fact I didn't believe them based on those video clips and am still unsure.

But then I don't believe a word of the British government narrative either. And never have.

My best guess was that they were on a surveillance mission, possibly to do with Sergie Skripal as Craig Murray suggested in an earlier blog post (HERE).

It has repeatedly been pointed out that both the Skripal's left home early in the morning (09:15) and didn't apparently return. The later assertion was that both Skripal's had touched the door handle (possible but unlikely - usually it's the last person out the door who touches it?) on the way out the door, and that the handle had earlier been smeared with a gel containing Novichok. The lack of potency of this deadly chemical weapon - given the survival without lasting harm by all three poisoned - was then accounted for by various experts who stated that weather and rain earlier in the morning (or night - certainly prior to 09:15 anyway) had reduced the efficacy of the Novichok sufficiently to have rendered it relatively ineffective. Not-with-standing that argument, that gel was later stated by be in a liquid form inside a aerosol perfume bottle (in the accidental Amesbury poisoning), itself discarded miles away, allegedly by the assassin/s. But never the less the perfume box (and bottle) remained pristine and unopened and sealed in a cellophane wrap.

The discrepancies abound and are risible - and I have only touched on a few of them.

The more this story unveils itself the more I am reminded of the case of Alexander Litvinenko. In his very worthy analysis of the Litvinenko affair, British investigative reporter, David Habakuk's series in the European Tribune, concludes that all parties were anxious to cover up the reality by deflecting, because of the embarrassment that would ensue otherwise.

Litvinenko was involved in the smuggling of nuclear materials with the Camorra crime family and elements in the Ukrainian and Russian intelligence and was also working for Berezkovsky, MI6, Spanish Intelligence and MI5. The whole thing was a can of worms that stunk to high heavens.

If I had to make an educated guess I suspect something similar (an international smuggling operation) was going on, this time with chemical weapon components. Obviously very speculative I know, but given the heaps of steaming BS that surrounds this ongoing story it's reasonable to make deductions based on what information is currently available And, of course, Porton Down, the British CB Warfare Establishment is just a mere 7/8 miles outside of Salisbury. And Sergie Skripal's MI6 recruiter and handler (?) Pablo Miller also lives in or close to Salisbury. Miller is a coleague of Christopher Steele and apparently has worked with him at Orbis, Steele's business entity.

I summing up I very much doubt we will ever know the actual or full truth of it.

Having said all this, below is Murray's recent post on this matter:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/the-strange-russian-alibi/

Murray has since made another post that is worth reading.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/

 

Perhaps ignore all the police investigation reports and just concentrate on the words spoken by the two Russians?

They admit everything that the police say about their whereabouts. They only deny the actual poisoning. Now ask yourself this. Who would travel 4000 miles just to see a cathedral and then not even bother to visit it - they stayed in Salisbury for less than two hours on the second day and the cathedral is a 40 minute walk round trip from the station. Not even enough time to have something to eat. They also said that they wanted to visit Stone Henge - that is a long walk from Salisbury!

 

"At what time did the Skripals touch their doorknob? Boshirov and Petrov arrived in Salisbury at 11.48 and could not have painted the doorknob before noon. The Skripals had left their house at 09.15, with their mobile phones switched off so they could not be geo-located. Their car was caught on CCTV on three cameras heading out of Salisbury to the North East. At 13.15 it was again caught on camera heading back in to the town centre from the North West.

How had the Skripals managed to get back to their home, and touch the door handle, in the hour between noon and 1pm, without being caught on any of the CCTV cameras that caught them going out and caught the Russian visitors so extensively? After this remarkably invisible journey, what time did they touch the door handle?"

The killer question(s)? Another one is why were the Zizzi table and the park bench removed and destroyed?

 

All good points, but still fishy overall?

 

And for the record, as Col Pat Lang stated, placing blame on Russia for poisoning opponents is an old tired song as proved by the story of Karinna Moskalenko - who was poisoned with Mercury and which saw an article in Foreign Policy including her in a list of people who had been poisoned by the Russians (HERE) and also see HERE..

But:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karinna_Moskalenko

 

Speaking of tired old songs, the current fiasco with Maria Butina here in the US is another example of the effort to make Russia look bad. Last week the US prosecutors admitted that they had made up the stuff about her offering sex.

There are elements in the government who want war with Russia.

As much as he has worked for peace, one day Putin may be forced to accommodate the war mongers in Washington.

 

So long as the media is happy to spout anti Russian and anti Putin propaganda without hindrance or care for facts and accuracy, then any reason is going to be good enough to purloin and twist -- even if it later transpires to be complete balls. My take is that the people in Washington want to coerce - by sanctions, media pressure and, indeed even war - the Russian elite to get rid of Putin, so I entirely get what you say.

But will any of them have the stomach for another compliant Yeltsin (or similar) so soon? I personally doubt they will, though I could easily be wrong.

My sense is that what we are seeing, in fact, is the futile last act of a declining empire and doing everything possible to halt that decline. Those Neocons/Neoliberals might be better advised to reconsider the old story of Kind Canute and the tide. Empires have their season, they rise and fall just like the tides ebbs and flows.

 

Yes, I'm also convinced that the forum itself is being influenced by them as well. And given what we know about such types, certainly they are not above trying to manipulate discourse on one of the internet's most popular political forums. Must keep the dirty thought crimes relegated to the "conspiracy theory" subforum, don't ya know...

 

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but this is a great example of a legitimate counter-narrative getting bogged down in the details.

Instead of simply pointing out the absolute absurdity of the basic premise of the government narrative - that the Russian government would try to assassinate someone in such a clumsy, amateurish, infamous way - opponents of the government narrative are debating the minutia, which causes most people's eyes to glaze over out of boredom.

We simply need to stress the utterly illogical nature of this narrative. It simply makes no sense at all that the Russian government would try to assassinate someone this way. If the Russian government wanted Skirpal dead, he'd be dead. And it would have looked like an accident with no obvious connection to Russia. That is how high-level statecraft works in reality. The narrative being pushed by western governments hardly even qualifies as a bad spy novel.

 

I share your concern, but I think Putin has things under control. He is operating from a position of strength and ascendancy, while the degenerate western political class are operating from a position of weakness and decline. That is why they are so shrill and hysterical and why Putin is so calm. And as long as Russia has nuclear weapons and an independent political system, there is nothing the lunatics in DC, London, and Paris can do about it except traffic in increasingly unhinged and fallacious rhetoric.

 

But that's the whole rationale of neuro-linguistic programming - with today's mass western audiences having the attention span of a termite, they'll quickly turn their attention to something more in their sphere of interest, such as Strictly Come Dancing, or Jeremy Kyle. And governments know this? Blimey I'm so cynical it frightens me!

 

I'm not cynical enough

 

I might be able to help you there.

 

Maybe we could bottle your cynicism to sell to millennial's as a potion to cure their being such p*ssies.

One sip and you go from Socialism for everyone to get a job you f*cking hippy

 

Did you say Strictly on again! Gotta go!!