The jig is up for Trump: Special Master has asked declassification details

So this whole Mar-a-lago is about declassified documents?

 

The fact that he's already started. But keep buying time while thinking of your next excuses. Trump's "truths" will provide the marching orders/programming. I doubt Trump or his followers will look so kindly on Dearie by the end of this week.

 

No evidence points to that. All current evidence points to them being classified (though it would still have been a crime for him to retain them even if they had been declassified). Trump and his lawyers have claimed IN PUBLIC that the documents were declassified . . . something they have so far decided they can't do in court. Dearie is trying to put them on the record. They are desperate to make sure that doesn't happen. Catch up. Everyone else knows all of this already.

 

How many times have we heard the Jig is up from leftists. Hasn't happened yet. Yet, each time the left comes up with a trumped up charge, nothing happens. Until we know all the actual facts, not just the mass media promoted ones, we don't know the end result.

 

You are forgetting, that list is part of the public record now with Trump's suit for special master. Some 10000 plus documents ranging from newspaper articles to classified documents. It has been accepted by Judge Cannon, the Trump legal team, and the DOJ in their filing of court motions. It is a done deal and accepted by the court and Judge Cannon. Take it up with her if you have any doubts.

 

You do realize that would also apply to you too. Care to guess why?

 

Special Master: We know they are classified because the government says they are.

Everyone with a clue: Duh

Trump's attorneys spent hours and hours in hair and makeup, but still did not come out victorious.

 

And yet, he is the one who Trump's legal team specifically requested. Be careful what you wish for.

 

Not answering the request will force Dearie to grant whatever request by the DOJ, which would mean no executive privilege for FPOTUS. And that defense is not going to help them at all if this goes to trial.

what Trump is doing is wanting both ways and will milk this as a PR stunt for all its worth.

 

I see, so that's why Trump eventually handed over to the NARA documents in Jan 2022 and Trump's lawyers hand-picked docs for the DOJ subpoena in June 2022 because it was a "document storage dispute".
It all makes sense now.

"Trump team tells 11th Circuit Mar-a-Lago probe is a 'document storage dispute' that 'spiraled out of control'

"Trump's legal team filed a response to the DOJ's motion for a partial stay in the 11th Circuit"

Snip:

"This investigation of the 45th President of the United States is both unprecedented and misguided," Trump’s lawyers wrote in their filing. "In what at its core is a document storage dispute that has spiraled out of control, the Government wrongfully seeks to criminalize the possession by the 45th President of his own Presidential and personal records."


cont:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...-storage-dispute-that-spiraled-out-of-control

 

Do you mean the same projections by conservatives and Mega crowd on HRC going to prison? How did that work out for you when you controlled the WH, the Legislative Branch, and the Judicial Branch for two years?

 

It's amazing how mutually exclusive his claims are. The docs can't be personal and still subject to executive privilege. If the docs involve executive privilege, then he can't withhold them from the executive branch. If the docs were at any time classified (even if he later "declassified" them), then they aren't personal . . . they are official. And the hits keep coming.

 

Your honor, this grand theft auto case is just an automobile storage dispute that got out out of hand! I shouldn't be in trouble just because I stored the plaintiff's car in my garage instead of his!

 

This is ALL on Cannon, she totally fudged this case's ability to be prosecuted in a timely manner and with any judicial integrity. She's put her thumb of the scales of justice in America.

 

It is being brought up in court right now. With documents classified, he can, or at least attempt to, claim executive privilege on those documents. This would weaken the DOJ case against him. However, it is risky because the Government can file all sorts of evidence to the contrary and will pretty much ruin that defense, the only one he has right now. If the documents are declassified, then the executive privilege is out the window and at least 18 USC 793 is in play here with no defense whatsoever by Trump while holding government documents that do not belong to him in his personal residence. Why do you think Trump requested a special master, to begin with? His own team has argued that Trump should have at least the opportunity to select which documents are executive privledge or not, per the original Cannon order with a Special Master and her decision to grant Trump's defense team Judge Dearie.

 

Pretty sure Dearie is going to tear these guys' arguments apart.

 

They are all over the map with their legal defense and it shows. It is Trump's typical reactionary position when confronted with uncomfortable facts.

 

Well, that's just a silly idea. How can he play poor evil target and beg less wealthy people for money if he tells the truth? His whole con works on them being ignorant of the laws and rules. Admittedly, I have no f*cking clue how to explain why anybody would still support him when some of them are sitting in prison based on his bald-faced lie so there's that.

 

If Trump went to real prison, he'd still have redhats sending him cash to buy smokes from the commissary.

They would get text messages telling them how he will be raped daily if he can't get enough smokes to pay off the other inmates.

 

If there really were nuclear documents, I can see them pursuing 793 but I honestly think 2071 is more the easier slam dunk. That doesn't have to deal with national security or anything, it's just removing government documents and those are indeed documents of the government, classified or not. 793 crucially has as an element an intent to sell or to do harm to the US, and that would be hard to pull off. Even if his actions caused harm, perhaps not intentionally so and I think you'd get a hung jury on it.

While it is being brought up by Dearie, I have to be blunt again on this: He was appointed Special Masters, he wasn't appointed as the judge in this case. What I would argue is that he doesn't have a need or an interest in knowing what was declassified and what wasn't.(Taking a page out of the DOJ's book in their original filing surrounding the order with regards to Cannon), the Special Masters is not charged with litigating the case, so he should have no interest or jurisdiction in the arguments.

All he has to do is identify and sort out these documents, nothing more and nothing less.

 

You nailed it.

 

If there were nuclear documents, it is 18 USC 794 if the damaged assessment is bad, really, really, bad because Trump exposed, as a private citizen, our means and methods for obtaining such information because the document was still classified. For 18 USC 793, it does not matter whether the documents were classified or not. The fact that he had them, and attempted to conceal them, is the crux of that law.

For a special master, you need to read Judge Cannon's ruling of why the special master was needed and her orders to the special master, to begin with. Judge Dearie has been directed to determine if any privledge exists and that includes executive privilege. Hence why Judge Dearie asked Trump's legal team and basically got an argument of "not now because it will weaken our defense in case of trial."

Trump wants it both ways so he can milk the PR propaganda for all its worth to his supporters and at the rallies. And with the Judicial system, you cannot have it both ways and that is what the legal team is finding out quickly with Judge Dearie.

 

Yeah, pretty much. Except Hillary openly skated past all scrutiny and consequences because she was a creature of the swamp. It was a piece of cake for her.

With Trump, on the other hand, the swamp has already tried to crucify him. They just can't seem to find any nails.

 

Poor orange Jesus.

 

What PR propaganda? This way of framing dismisses the Trump team's legal arguments and supposes a non-legal reasoning for the argument that they're framing, rather than accepting their argument on face value. Which I do. Mr. Dearie's job is to go over and confirm or deny the certain classification of documents. Considering that the DOJ is going to argue extensively against executive privilege anyway, it should be irrelevant at this point of the trial whether or not Trump would attempt to exercise privilege.

Trump is the defendant in a would-be criminal trial, and even in this civil trial, it is the government's position that the documents belong to it. Ergo: It is the government's responsibility to prove its claim of ownership of the documents, the response of the defendant whether it's Donald Trump or Jane Doe would come after that.

The "PR propaganda" narrative is another way for the DOJ to try and have the power of the judiciary enforce its own claims. But that's not how it works, the government made the claims and now the government can feel free to back them up but it's not on Trump to do so.

They could be far less elaborate and just cite invoking the fifth amendment against possible self incrimination, but that would open another 'we've got you' can of worms that doesn't actually play out in a trial.