The lack of Math and Scientific Knowledge in Ultra-Religious.

Why is it you and others CONSTANTLY state I have posted things I have NOT?

I have NEVER stated...."you deny the possibility of a spiritual realm, where math and physical phenomena don't even exist."

There is a great deal more to Multiversal Theory than just Infinite Divergent Universal States branching off a baseline Universal Reality....as not only is there an Infinite Number of our Universal Realities there also exists an Infinite number of Universal Baseline Realities that have absolutely nothing in common with our Baseline Universal Realities.

Thus there are Infinite Groups of Universal Baseline Realities and each Baseline Reality has infinite divergent Universal States of itself.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually you are the one who stated math is perfect, go ahead and prove that. I have seen zero proof of perfection. I'm not sure how something humanity created somehow transcended humanity, please explain that. There are numerous situations in which math doesn't apply, if it was indeed perfect it would...

While you say math is self-evident, in what terms? Which other life forms are you talking about and is that merely our perception of the situation or is it a reality? How do you prove it one way or the other?

I will not redact any statement on your demands, in case you haven't noticed this conversation is actually quite theoretical in nature. There is probably no way I could convince you that math is imperfect, regardless of what I brought forth, as you can't provide any evidence that math is perfect.

 

Lol away. It is the last bastion of the uninformed.

Quantum mechanics is the realm of chaos. Quantify Heisenberg's uncertainty principal. Physics is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). You wallow in philosophy. You never answered my question... do you understand M theory is philosophy, not physics?

Quantum mechanics is wrought with mathematical inequality, and this is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing fact you seemed to miss developing your faith. I can find chunks of you in wikipedia's stool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
The links will get harder from here.

You were stupid to approach this with certainty and arrogance. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. You have no idea what you are talking about. You just believe in Star Trek. Come strong or wither.

 

The fact you are even suggesting that Mathematics is not perfect shows me how little you understand about it.

A person can make mistakes in calculations or develop a flawed mathematical based theory or solve an equasion improperly but the Math itself is ALWAYS perfect and such Math can evolve to take into consideration additional Space-Time Dimensionality or less.

AboveAlpha

 

He equates math with truth. Therefore any mathematical proof is truth. He does little math in his world. He reads a lot of sci-fi that is not ruled out by physics and assumes therefor it is truth. You will not find answers... just Hogwarts.

 

And a renown mathematician?

 

Volatility (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). Deal with it. Make it go away.

 

He understood all but very basic math, geometry and the like but his scientific assumptions were based upon Christian ideology and he was directly responsible for the deaths of many he had the Pope label as Heretics.

THAT....is a definition of a Religious Zealot....without a doubt.

AboveAlpha

 

How is it perfect? That's the part I don't understand. If it were perfect it wouldn't require so much so-called understanding, as perfection would be self-evident. You sound like a cultist, the true meaning is hidden deep in the inner sanctum, only the truly enlighten can really understand... Blah, blah, blah...

How can you possibly prove math is always perfect when you can simply change it whenever it suits you. The math doesn't evolve or change unless humans change it...

 

Are you actually directing this post at me Ctrl?

Because if you are....my estimation of your level of intelligence has fallen greatly.

AboveAlpha

 

Hell if math is truth, just give out the equation for creativity and we can all be fat, rich, and happy! If math is perfection there must be an equation for that...

 

I would argue more died as a result of incendiary bombs and atomic weapons. I mean... seriously... is your argument that religion has killed more than science?

Or does that not matter really? Science... as you perceive it... like phrenology, is "right"?
Hypocrisy is less entertaining than irony to me... as I said at the onset.

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Easier than answering the direct question I suppose.

Uncertainty principal

Heard of it in your vast studies?

Cmon chicken(*)(*)(*)(*). Google quantum mechanics random|chaos

Don't be a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

How can math ALWAYS be perfect, yet evolve? Semantics, of course, because the nature of math is to illustrate a truth.
But about those doors that you're holding open more for theories than for God. You propose that a separate and entire universe exists for every possible outcome. Hoooie! That's a bit more radical than anything I've seen from any other zealot of any other kind.
You assume that our ability to observe these hard on particles is developed enough to draw the conclusion that they went to another universe. It ain't. It's easier for me to believe that we don't have the means to observe God than it is for me to believe that a God does not exist. A gnat doesn't have the means to consider that I'm trying to kill him, so he doesn't fear me.
So what came before the universes?

 

Look...even though there are higher levels of math and levels of Geometry which deal with Higher and lower dimensions than just 3-D...and such math as Calculus and other forms of Math....it all comes down to counting....1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Or...if we are using a base 12 system...1,2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, #. @, 12.

It is PERFECT.

Your complete inability to understand this is due to your own extreme lack of knowledge and education of these facts.

AboveAlpha

 

"I don't answer questions. You are stupid."

 

Joe....spend some time and read a bit into Quantum Mechanics and specifically read about Quark Numerical existence within Hadrons.

This will open your eyes to a great many realities.

AboveAlpha

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So...you have sunken to the point of name calling and calling me stupid! LOL!!!

I really can't get angry with a person who is making me laugh so hard!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha...p.s...your slip is showing!

 

It cannot. Smart people were just stupid then. Math is perfect, we... I mean all of us that are not enlightened in this age, don't get it... but it is right.

People like him persecuted Copernicus.

 

Do you know what quotes mean?

I don't mean to call you stupid, but when someone uses quotes it means it is not them using the words, but someone else. In terms of this forum, the quote above would be restated within the actual quote marks.


If I can explain anything else to you, just ask. I would like you to address the uncertainty principal, and the well established chaos of quantum mechanics by every scientist on the planet instead of me explaining English to you... as that is your proclaimed area. You don't have to be proficient in the language. I deal with a lot of people for whom English is not their first language. I lump you in with them.

 

Is there a name for this little Fantasy World you live in or are you always this crazy?

First of all I can tell by your posts you have not the slightest clue about anything specific to quantum mechanics except perhaps what you might have Googled and read in 60 seconds.

Secondly it is well known through Chaos Theory that in what would appear to be a random set of events a pattern will exist and become prevalent and thus mathematically predictable.

You can go on spouting your nonsense for the sake of protecting your own ego but your inane ramblings are obvious attempts to appear to others that you might actually have some scientific or mathematical knowledge....which you have almost none at all.

AboveAlpha

 

Counting isn't math, its merely assigning values to something. Counting by itself doesn't require a single function other than assigning a new value. Irregardless, if there are X objects, they exist whether you count them or not, I fail to see your point on that. Math begins when you start to use functions, such as addition or subtraction, not just having values to use...

 

My nonsense known as "physics".

Uncertainty principal. Address that, not me. Chicken(*)(*)(*)(*). You claim understanding. Show me. There is no such thing as random according to you. The stock market is predictable according to you.

It is not MY ego on the line.

Divorce chaos from quantum mechanics. Earn your Nobel.

Or instead keep attacking the poster. That sounds easier.

 

A great many realities you say..... I don't get it. There is real, and there is not real. If you have a game that goes beyond that, have fun with it. I don't want to read up on your game, because to me, it's as interesting as the chronicles of a rock.
Your life experience is quite different from mine. I don't believe that math could define or describe reality in my perception. It might explain the phenomena, but not the purpose.
For example, I was walking along one day on the floor of a place called Red Rock Canyon, 35 miles South of China Lake NAB. There is often a lot of electrical activity there, and there was a lot at that time. A huge wave of electrical energy came roiling up behind me, moving up the basalt ridge to dissipate as a giant bolt of lightening. As it passed me, I saw my shadow moving within it, all the way up the hill.
This happened during my apprenticeship under the Chief of the Oglala Sioux, along with several other altered states that came in the course of the whole experience. Your math might explain the exchange of material and energy, but it couldn't take the context into account. That context is my game, but it doesn't figure in your theory, so you would dismiss it.

 

Actually there are companies that spend Multiple Millions upon computer software specific to calculating market fluctuations based on a host of different events and issues.

If all such events and issues could be taken into account market predictability would be 100%.

You have no idea about anything specific to Quantum Mechanics because if you did yo would understand Quantum Behavior is predictable as observation changes the result.

AboveAlpha

 

This reality is real for THIS version of YOU.

There are infinite versions of YOU and me.

AboveAlpha

 

So we're going to nitpick my choice of words. Ok, I'll rephrase. Does any of your works support the accusation that the ultra-religious zealots are any more mathematically challenged than the average poster here?