Having middle easyern dna DOEST NOT MAKE ONE A JEW. Many cultures lived and oassed through. You coyld just aswell be palestinian. Or turkish or persian or a million other tribes. Its good though that you eant to align yourself with israelite faith we welcome gentiles as long as they dont boast agsinst us
if you have an oral history of coming from the Middle East, and you just happen to have Middle Eastern genes, it means your story has pretty much been vindicated. embrace reality. - - - Updated - - - "we"? you never claimed to Jewish. I guess there's a first for everything.
First of all conservative and reform Jews do not get along among themselves around questions of Jewish identity, the reforms convert ppl that the conservatives do not accept and hence the state of Israel does not accept as converts, they also have disagreements about the West Wall prayers. IMO the secular majurity would accept "loyal" Christians or Muslims much much more easly, in a militaristic society - if we manage to put the Palestinian nationality struggle behind us - just enlist them and they automaticlly get accepted to the Israeli society, like the Druze, there wont be a Jewish identity vs. Arab identity if we all "fight" and loyal to the same cause, but we need to deal with those that want indipendance first.
The Israelites were also a mix of Turkish (Hittites), Persians,Assyrians, Babylonians, Edomites, Egyptians, Phoenicians and more, since according the Bible they left Egypt with : Exodos 12 "37 The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Sukkoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. 38 Many other people went up with them, and also large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds." When Joshua conqured the land he made pacts and allies whith many city states practicly adding them to the nation, the Bible goes on and on about the mixing of Israelites and threat of "foriegn worshipping" of idols due to this mixing, there are even leading charecters in the Bible - part of the Israelite kingdom named for their diffrent origin - like Uriah the Hittite, ofc there were mixing during the first exile and ever since, So your pure blood Israelites NEVER existed, they were already mixed when they recived God's laws in mount Sinai, they mixed again with local pop in Canaan which by itself was mixed, Humans move around.....
I never said i was jewish and having middle east ancestry diesnt nake one jewish just like bring european doesnt make one celt. Common sense
Im no Doctor on the subject but I dont think it can, it also means that the "blue gene Israelites" never existed but sure ...take what you need from that Didnt you write that Jews are'nt Jews becuse they are converts or mixed with non Jews during exile ?
But You still deny Jews today are related to Jews of old - Israelites, on what basis you do that considering there was no period of time in history that there were'nt any Jews and the bloodline was fluent ? Conversions? I proved there were always conversions, the tribes always accepted new members and the Judian tribe is no diffrent and didnt break any laws by accepting new members.
Nope. I said jewish ppl cannot be proven descent from israelites through dna. Its just speculation on a grand scale in western hemisphere
you can't prove it 100%, but the oral history plus DNA are pretty damn good evidence. the Jewish people are the best known possible descendants of the Hebrews/Israelites/Judaeans. - - - Updated - - - there is no truly unique Jewish genes. But there are Middle Eastern ones held by folks who live where the ancient Judaeans lived
I didnt sayy converts are fake i just that they are just converts and shouldnt boast against the root. The basis of which being descent from israelites being that proposed in deuteronomy as the curses that would befall israel and be as a sign to those who wonder. The prophecies.
Pure speculation tho at the end of the day. Youve heard the saying that every culture has jesus depicted as their own ethnicity so rings true in your speculation
no, its fact, not speculation. the people today known as the Ashkenazi/Sephardic/Mizrahi Jews, are the most likely descendants of the ancient Hebrews/Israelites/Judaeans.
Meaningless, what ever they were or might have been has no bearing on anything. They do not view themselves as decedents of Hebrews and thus their claim to the land of Israel and Judea are unfounded.
Its not even questionable that they are in fact descended from Jewish farmers who stayed in Palestine.
It is questionable, since the Arab numbers swelled in the 20 century with most new people coming from other Arabic places.
Arab Muslims were the majority followed by Arab Christians.. That's why the Arab Quarter of Jerusalem was the largest.. and some of those homes were 300-400 years old. Shlomo Sand's 'The Invention of the Jewish People' Is a Success for Israel Some may be surprised to find that Sand's goal is to preserve Israel as a democracy with a Jewish character. http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/streng...-jewish-people-is-a-success-for-israel-1.3247
I see that you use an article that talks about Shlomo Sand's book "The Invention of the Jewish People". Do you also thing, as Sand, that the Jews are an invention , and thus dont exist? After all, as the title of the book inform as, the book refers to the existance of the Jewish people, and there he tried to prove that the Jews dont exist.
I wouldn't have used the word "invention"... The Arab Christians and Muslims were the majority in the Turkish census in the 1870s.. You can also read the travel journals of Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Ben Tudela..
who, the Palestinians? how come they have ZERO oral history of being descended from ancient Jews? Jews do not easily give up their culture and heritage. we have done a fabulous job hiding it from our persecutors. folks in Spain, more than 500 years after, still light Shabbos candles and they don't know why.
They share some rituals with the Jews. This is from the Rabbi Tudela From there it is three parasangs to Jerusalem, which is a small city, fortified by three walls. It is full of people whom the Mohammedans call Jacobites, Syrians, Greeks, Georgians and Franks, and of [p. 35] people of all tongues: It contains a dyeing-house, for which the Jews pay a small rent annually to the king(76), on condition that besides the Jews no other dyers be allowed in Jerusalem. There are about 200 Jews who dwell under the Tower of David in one corner of the city(77). The lower portion of the wall of the Tower of David, to the extent of about ten cubits, is part of the ancient foundation set up by our ancestors, the remaining portion having been built by the Mohammedans. There is no structure in the whole city stronger than the Tower of David. The city also contains two buildings, from one of which--the hospital--there issue forth four hundred knights; and therein all the sick who come thither are lodged and cared for in life and in death(7. The other building is called the Temple of Solomon; it is the palace built by Solomon the king of Israel. Three hundred knights are quartered there, and issue therefrom every day for military exercise, besides those who come from the land of the Franks and the other parts of Christendom, having taken upon themselves to serve there a year or two until their vow is fulfilled. In Jerusalem is the great church called the Sepulchre, and here is the [p. 36 ] burial-place of Jesus, unto which the Christians make pilgrimages. Jerusalem(79) has four gates-the gate of Abraham, the gate of David, the gate of Zion, and the gate of Gushpat, which is the gate of Jehoshaphat, facing our ancient Temple, now called . https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/tudela.html
name some Palestinian families, today, who light candles on Friday eve. that is the telltale sign of Crypto-Jews.
Read the article at the beginning of the thread. . The Travels of Ibn Battuta. 14th century. http://ibnbattuta.berkeley.edu/2Syria.html
