The problem of religion

Yeah,...
The Response to Fear was what created the Free Will men have to decide one way or the other.

The response was early on to either Flee of Fight.
But in man, the opportunity to Wait occurred.
Men who did not know whether to Flee or Fight, had the opportunity to "Think."

Hence, man discovered more about the circumstances of the Reality.
The Reality that was confronting man lead him to find truths which was a means of making better decisions.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction

 

Hmm,...
The church people agreed to keep out of the government when the Constitution was written, so not taxing the church is a fair benefit, IMO.

But I do think income of ministers pay check should be taxed.

 

Population of the Roman Empire circa 300 AD - 60 million, so as I said 144,000 is a VERY small part of the population.

 

So you are suggesting that Christianity did not exist or had no influence during Constantines reign?

That does not equate to what you are asserting, which was that divorce was outlawed, it simply was not outlawed. The medieval church discouraged divorce, following Christ's position in the New Testament as set forth in Mark 10:11-12, it was NEVER outlawed (banned or made illegal)

 

Yes, these were just the first Christian virgins (monks) who built the New Jerusalem over the whole Empire.
The balance of their Christian members came from conversion of Romans into Christianity.

Rev. 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed, (as in the first universal church of 325AD): and there were sealed (with the ashes upon their foreheads) an hundred and forty and four thousand (144,000) of all the tribes of the (twelve Christian sects of the true) children of Israel, (Rev 3:9).

Rev. 7:5 Of the tribe of Judah, (the early Christian Ebionites), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben, (the early Christian Arianians), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad, (the early Christian Montanism), were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev. 7:6 Of the tribe of Asher, (the early Christian Anomians), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim, (the early Christian Gnostics), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses, (the early Christian Adoptionism of Modalism), were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev. 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon, (the early Christian Adoptionism of Dynamic Monarchianism)), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi, (the early Christian Semi-Arianian Macedonianism), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar, (the early Christian Patripassianism-modalists), were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev. 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon, (the early Christian Melchisedechian-Monarchians), were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph, (the early Christian Monasticism) were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin, (the early Christian Marcionism), were sealed twelve thousand.


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As I have told you before I have no interest in your potted (or potty) version of scripture and history with your delusional notation.

 

But in 380 AD, Emperor Theo I mandated that every citizen of the Roman Empire become Christian, hence what was Christians was Canon Law.

 

A point in which we finally agree.

 

It just explains what had happened when all the Roman world became Christian in 380 AD.

 

No.
It wasn't legal before 313 AD.
The Christians were being martyred before then.

Constantine just stopped the persecutions in 313 AD.
Then in 325 AD, he made it legal.

 

Stranger things have happened

 

You can keep spouting all you like, the fact remains that divorce was not outlawed at any time after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

 

Yes! I have heard that rumor before.

 

It was Constantine that made Christianity the official State religion. ??

 

I post scripture mostly for Incorp.
He has heard voices telling what scrioture ought mean for him.
But the voice does not come from "personal relationship" with god, because science does back up the Bible in spite of what he hears.

 

No.
In 312 AD, Constantine saw the Cross in the sky, which he recognized as the sign if the son of man, coming in the clouds.
So, he passed the Edict of Toleration which stopped persecutions of Christians which had begun in 303 AD.

Then, 12 years later, he gathered the Christian together because they were splitting apart in regard to the Trinity.
Constantine wanted the church to resolve this matter, which they did, by ascertaining that Trinity was the God for all Christians.
He then announced that Christianity was legal as a religion thereafter.

Constantine died.
Theo I became Emperor.
In 380 AD, he was the guy who mandated Christianity as the only legal religion in all of the Roman Empire.

 

And I have also expressed to you that I am not interested in your version of the 'Bible'. So presenting that garbage of yours is a waste of time... and not only my time. And your lame excuse regarding how science backs up the 'Bible' is the lamest of excuse you could imagine.

 

So now you see here that opposing science in scripture pushes you to side with atheists.
As you avoid the firm truth of Science, and make up nonsense ideas to maintain what are actually lies, you find yourself in the same abyss as these other people.

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Was the Big Bang science the beginning of the heavens...?

 

No Dave. I am not siding with Atheists. I am siding with what can be shown as convincing. Irrespective of the source. That is why I lean so heavily on the definition of proof. proof = evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true. Your arguments fall way short of having that compelling ability. Then at other times your arguments make lots of sense.... but only when you are not promoting your version of the 'Bible'.

From your perspective that is probably a truth in your mind. However I find that I do not avoid the truth behind science when science is based on fact rather than fancy.... and when I speak of 'fact' in the context as above... I do not mean mathematical manipulation or imaginative toying with ideas such as multiverses... I view such things as those in the same regard in which Atheists view the subject of God. If you cannot prove its existence then it deserves being poked fun at.

Was there a 'Big Bang' or was there just the spoken word of God?

 

Yet there are academics, physicists, other scientists, who say that this intellectual growth will not get rid of the principle of religion, but will get rid of the animosity between religion and hard science. Religion will change somewhat in that process, but it will not go away.

Instead of moving away from this ancient thing called religion, science will indeed become reconciled with it, and religion, with science. From the point of view, of many who study this stuff, that is what they think. And I agree with them.

Since I am not emotionally invested in the outcome, I could not care less. But many who hate religion, care, and they care one helluva lot. One could say, that philosophical materialists really care about it, hoping that your view will come to pass. But materialism is not where it will be at, in the future. Already we have had to move away from it, in Quantum Mechanics, for it is not able to explain QM the way it can explain the macro universe, via classical physics.

So as academia, moves away from the hegemony of materialism, in academia, by the death of those materialists, (science, in reality, moves slowly, at the pace of tombstones) this will eventually lead to that reconciliation of science and religion. But of course, it will also change religion somewhat. But not destroy it, but will see the place for it. Plenty of very bright academics have spoken of this for quite sometime now, but you have to get outside of the materialistic rut, and look, in order to find these men. And of course, if you mind is already set in concrete, that just does not happen, with these people, many of who post here.

 

After Constantine died his son reigned for a time and he favored Arianism.

Theodosius came later.

Jovian hits the scene in 363:

Well if Jovial "reestablishes" Christianity as the State religion in 363, almost 2 decades before Theo. It must have been made the state religion prior to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovian_(emperor)

What Theodosius does is essentially make Nicene Christianity the only religion allowed.

Soon after of course comes the persecution of other religious adherents and Christians who did not conform to official State religious doctrine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosius_I

100 years after Constantine the Church still can not figure out the nature of Jesus:

 

Would you care to point out where I say I am an atheist please, or is this yet again projection.

 

Then post it in response to him/her, not to me, I have no interest in your delusions

Irrelevant to me

Assuming the premise (begging the question), how do you know whether the voice he/she hears is from god or not?

 

I just love that question you posed for CD... I would be willing to bet you a dollar to a doughnut that he will evade the question.

 

Ooooh. You have got me annoyed. Multiverses do exist. I'll prove it to you.

Wait for it.


Roadworks.

I wandered lonely in my car
Midst scenes of chaos - grit and tar.
I tried to find my way around
Only to hear that dreaded sound,
Pneumatic drill and excavators,
Some of life’s great agitators.

I sat in my car and cogitated.
I thought - and this could be debated -
Had I turned to the left instead of the right
Could I have been right out of sight
Of the dreadful road works in .......... town?
Ah well, like the man behind, I’ll sit and frown.

Oh look! The light ahead has turned to green,
Come on you lot - get up some steam,
We might get through if you put your foot down.
Ah no, we won’t - well back to the frown.
They say - with tongue in check and obligatory smile -
‘When it’s all finished it will be worthwhile’.

Now that’s all very fine, I don’t know about you
But there’s a hundred and one things I’d rather do
Than sit and watch madam in the car ahead
Check her lipstick, mascara, and with a nod of her head
Let me know she’s aware I’ve been watching her facial,
And the look I am getting is definitely glacial.

So as soon as I can I will get out of town,
Find some quiet country road, let go of the frown.

I’m driving at peace down a quiet country lane
Knowing ‘peace and contentment is great Godly gain’.
My body is relaxing. OH NO! I could weep.
I’m last in the queue - behind a flock of stray sheep


Now that's a multiverse.