The problem of religion

Try again.
Cute poem as you inferred having multiple verses, but not a single multiverse.

 

nothing new in that then.

 

I don't think preserving something because it is our heritage is a priority so I will not worry about it. The human race will have a better chance to flourish if and when reason becomes the dominant method of obtaining and using knowledge and freedom becomes the dominant political goal. In other words, free your mind and think!

 

The voice he hears tells him to deny truthful ideas.
So it can not be coming from the Unconscious mind, which is The Christ inside us all.

 

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I ave asked you time and again, just which of the discipline will you accept for a proof of anything.
You deny Science, which uses factual evidence to state the sources of the cause for events which occur.
You even deny the Bible, itself, when what it says can be seen as correct with science ideas.

You summed it up by saying you do not even accept Reality as an existence we all living inside.

 

And you have heard this voice that I hear? Really? What is my exact location in Florida? That would mean that you have been in my presence and are capable of hearing whatever I hear... so what am I hearing at the moment that you read this message?

 

See...?

You are irrational here now.

The issue is whether both Science and the Bible say there was a beginning.

You focus on who did it.
That is immaterial to the fact that it happened.

 

I don't have to hear the voice when what you tell me it says is dead wrong.
The voice of the Good Shepherd speaks truth.

The other archetypes are one's which lie.

 

The Holy Spirit.

It is unlikely that I deny science when I work with scientific formulas and equipment on a daily basis. What I deny about science is the use of the scientific method, and that denial is based on the FACT that the scientific community uses an assumption to justify the use of that method. That community uses 'something' (the presumed existence of objective reality) that has never been proven to be true. Here is another little interesting comment from a notable scientist: "Nancy Cartwright (1944-) — Philosopher of physics known for her claim that the laws of physics "lie" — i.e., that the laws of physics only apply in highly idealized circumstances. She has also worked on causation, interpretations of probability and quantum mechanics, and the metaphysical foundations of modern science. " http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/philosophy

As proven by the Atheist community, the 'Bible' can be viewed as anything. see here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=atheist+bible&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

What is 'reality' Dave? Let us get into a "real" philosophical discussion on what is "reality".

 

In your mind it might be immaterial.... but your mind (nor mine) rules the world. Focusing on the 'Big Bang' begs the question of what (or who) was the cause.

Did it happen, or is this experience we are having just a stage play in the mind of some super intelligent being? Do you exist in the mind of some native in the remote parts of the Amazon jungle? Do you exist in the mind of some person unknown to you that works in and for the same company in which you work?

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Then show PROOF that I am "dead wrong".

 

... but the holy spirit is Truth.

 

Past realities which have already unfolded are what we call Truth.
Reality, itself, is the power which unfolds the stage of existence.

 

No,...
That simple fact is that both Science and the Bible say there was a beginning to the Universe.

 

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, the Counselor. Christ is the 'Truth'.

 

No! That is what you call 'Truth'. In overly simplistic terms, reality is what reality is. So, the question I posed to you has not been answered except by your personal and private perspective, opinion. Not PROOF.

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And the ultimate question is what (or who) is the cause.

 

Again assuming the premise (begging the question) how do you know this voice he hears is not correct and you are wrong?

 

My bet is still in place.

 

A problem that I have with religion is that it is often rigid which becomes problematic in a progressive society. Another problem is that religious books often have conflicting ideals. The greatest weakness of religion is its practiconers as humans are fallible and their actions oft run afoul of its dictates. It is the actions of theists that outside views of theism are based upon for better or worse.

 

There are no conflicting ideals. Because you lack the ability to understand it does not make it a conflict.

 

Says who and by what authority?

The way one judges another says more about the judge than the judged.

 

The Comforter is not the "spirit of Truth" for you?

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

 

So, you are now elevating yourself to the position of God and are rendering a judgment against my soul. Should the people now go out and build a Temple of Dave?

 

He denies that Facts which support the truth.

 

Yeah,...
"Religion" is like that.
But not the Bible.

 

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You say the holy spirit is not the spirit of Truth.

I show you a verse which says it is the spirit of truth.

You say that means I think I am " now elevating myself to the position of God."

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