The Tea Party

This website pretty much sums it up. http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/ The movement consists of small organizations in almost any decent size community. The website is a national entity, but holds no control over the individual organizations. I think most do not focus on social issues (abortion, gay marriage etc)

 

Fortunes have been invested in research while we have an excellent clean source right now with natural gas. Discovered and located etc...

water gets in the engine.

It harms car engines too.

brazil does. The plains should count for something here.

Yeah bush liked it. Also too expensive to be a substitute for natural gas which is cleaner.

Blue dogs abandoned their fiscal responsibility and paid for it. They have no home in the progressive left. The RINOS are still around. See mike enzi. The right hasn't been as good with its purge as the socialists have been. Or progressives, or whatever they call themselves these days.

 

Research is done by academic institutions, not by corporations. I feel safe in saying that the money for clean energy trails behind the money for fossil fuels on most equitable comparison charts.

Found a link that says water in boat engines is caused by improper preparation of the vessel's fuel system.

Only because the engines aren't designed for the higher levels of gasohol blend. Probably because of a legislative oversight.

Brazilian exports of ethanol to the United States are miniscule compared to the domestic production of ethanol.

Natural gas will NOT replace non-pressurized fuels for vehicular propulsion. It is laughable that you'd even consider it.

Blue Dogs were center-right Democrats. I believe some are now what you would call "RINOs".

Since you can't properly put the parties in their proper place on the ideological spectrum, I will just ignore this.

 

they concentrate on only one part of the conservative movement and that is on fiscal issues. At the start the Tea Party didn't have any platform on any social issues and most Tea Party groups still don't have an agenda on social issues

A lot of the Tea Party groups where high jacked by the religious right and along with them came their stance on social issues and it has hurt them. it is a lot easier for the media to attack them on gay rights and abortion then it is on common sense fiscal issues that the vast majority of America agrees with

 

You claim this, but do you have any proof?

The corrupt Democrats in the IRS pretty much put a strangle hold on the TEA Party ever gathering any kind of political donations.

That's okay though, because it caused the TEA Party to evolve in another direction.

The TEA Party doesn't really have a budget, or coffers of money, like the Republicans and Democrats... it is just not that kind of Movement, it is a true grass roots movement that accomplishes its goals with many little actions by REAL people.

It is the exact opposite of the Astro-Turf OWS Zombies employed by Soros and the Dems.

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T.E.A. Taxed Enough Already.

That and of course a backhanded referrence to the Boston Tea party where a bunch of guys destroyed a pile of tea in protest against the taxes levied by england back in the 18th century. One of the watershed events which ultimately led to the war from independance.

The modern tea party are generally conservatives who oppose government taxation and spending but are as fed up with the republican party as they are the democrat party both of whom tax us too much and waste the money. Although this has gone through a recent change since the tea party has basically joined with the republicans which is causing some seriosu internal problems for the repubs.

They should have simply joined the libertarian party.

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Opps hat should be war for independance.

 

They run busses on natural gas now. There is no more the. Just transportation fuels. None of what you posted is an argument for why we shouldn't take advantage of a cheap clean resource like natural gas, especially when you co sided the beneficial economic impact.

Ethanol causes boat problems despite a well maintained fuel line. It caused car engine damage too. Not a mechanic I am guessing right? No experience with boats either I assume? Yes you can get a lot of water in that way too, but it has nothing to do with ethanol damage. How is legislation going to fix those engines? What do we do with the ones we have now?

Scaling ethanol requires more rain forest burned or more subsidies for plains transitioned to fuel corn. (Or switchgrass). Natural gas is a clean domestic resource we can use now.

 

That's a great start. But you and I know their job resume is loaded with much more.

 

You aren't comprehending the economics of any natural gas. America's fuel distribution infrastructure is designed to deal with gasoline which is not pressurized. Natural gas, in order to be viable, must be pressurized, which means all of the infrastructure must be renovated to handle natural gas. That cost will be astronomical when you consider every single service station, fuel wholesaler, and refinery.

Mandate all engines produced after a certain date are able to run on E85. If engines for automobiles can be optimized for E85, which they can, I am fairly certain it can be done for marine power plants.

There is no "fuel corn", ethanol is produced from field corn, which is the vast majority of the American corn crop. 32% of the corn crop in the United States is exported, that crop can be used to create ethanol.

 

AMEN!! And thank you for the perspective!! Lately, I have been trying to zoom-out further from the Tea Party and see them more completely/objectively; you have helped me to do that rather handily!!

 

Fuel ethanol (actually denatured alcohol to avoid being taxed as whiskey) is highly hygroscopic. It readily mixes with water (ask your bartender) and will draw water vapor out of the air. Once mixed with water the alcohol separates from the other hydrocarbons and forms a non-potable vodka. As the 'vodka' is heavier than the hydrocarbons it puddles in the bottom of the fuel tank. As a result of this process, the octane of the E10 or E85 is degraded. Also, if the 'vodka' is sucked into the fuel system, the engine sputters.

Further fuel alcohol made from field corn competes with food for agricultural resources (arable land and fresh water), forcing higher food prices. Of course, runaway inflation is the Hussein Obama agenda.

The TEA Party has no tolerance for fuel ethanol.

 

Stands for Taxed Enough Already I believe. It's not really a party at all, it is a faction of the Republican party that has some pretty partisan individuals in it. Also I think it stands for minimal government, lower taxes and free market economy.
I agree with parts of the TEA *party* movement but there are some farrrr right people in the TEA party faction. I'm on the right side of the scale myself, but not that far

 

They REALLY lost me, when I saw how heavily they clung to the mindsets of the "Southern Strategy"; the racism was/is unbearable.

 

Yes another fatuous claim of Tea Party racism.

To Democrats, racism is any opposition to Hussein Obama's policies, no matter how egregious.

 

Yes, it's accurate. There are no members of the Tea Party who consider themselves Democrats. Not all Republicans are tea partiers, but all tea partiers are Republicans.

Generally speaking, of course.

 

LOL, you were a tea party supporter like I'm a member of the Michelle Obama Fan Club.

 

You lack understanding.

I'll say it this way:

I was at some points regarding what the Tea Party was advocating. At the point where I began to realize that they didn't much care for 'minorities', I rejected them in general.

Got it, now? (I hope so.)

 

We always find what we go looking for. Even if we have to make it up.

 

No, we don't.

Some things you only get via life experiences. There is a qualitative difference between what we know as "fact" and what we "possess" through experience; the divide, separating foolish thinking and actual understanding.

Again, it is about QUALITY, not quantity or seeking agreement of others.

 

Considering the current state of the black community... maybe it's time to reevalute that outdated thinking, eh?

 

If you cannot admit that the White (culture) Community has contributed (significantly) to the problems we see throughout American society, then I know that it is something worse than "outdated", it is damned "delusional".

 

I think you're on the wrong thread. It's not always about race... in the case of the Tea Party... NONE of it is about race.

 

I think you are wrong about that.

No, certainly not "always"; but I am sure you are wrong about that, where it concerns the Tea Party (and what drive many within the same).

And I'm open enough, to allow reality to show me something different.

 

The USA is politically growing towards two stronger opposing entities, Dems and TPs (Reps becoming a minority)
What the TP is is very clear, a new movement, a new stronger opposition to Dems than the Rep party was.

 

It depends allot on where you are from. In my state of New Mexico, the election system is very corrupt and compromised by the radical left and Democrats, so much so, that quite often there are, for a given office, no Republican Candidates at all, because anyone honestly seeking the office knows the voter fraud in the general election will shut down any possible chance of a Republican victory.

Consequently, ONLY a Democrat can win the office, and the election is determined in the primary. So many people who have conservative, libertarian, or TEA Patriot views are registered Democrats, so that they can have some voice and control in who gets into office.

The Voter Fraud was not always this bad. It took a very sharp turn down hill just after Clinton took office, and a much sharper turn toward Voter Fraud control of the elections in 2006.

In New Mexico, Voter Fraud actually plays a greater role in picking office holders, than honest voters, and everyone knows it. So we have a huge number of TEA Patriots who are officially Democrats, but HATE the Extreme Liberal Wing of the Party.

The one ray of hope our pathetic, Liberal corrupted state still has is our Republican Governor.

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