The truth about 'human shields'. MOD ALERT

Yes, but you know that unlike a sick twisted piece of scumbag paedo here, one there can act withimpunity, plus they are doing this, not as a few bad apples, but as a tactic.

I for one would believe the victims first, over these people.

Sorry.

 

So, as far as you are concerned its guilty until proven innocent. Until you or anyone else can come up with actual evidence besides the accusations, I'll write those accusations off as exaggerations of normal prisoner in-processing, or lies for street cred.

You really should investigate how much "cred" goes to these kids when they return from custody.
They are mini-heroes afforded accolades and respect amongst their communities. I have no argument with that at all, its a natural reaction exacerbated by the cultural aspects of "sacrifice". But, by the same token I have enough experience with teenagers to know that they can be as facile liars as adults, can be prone to self agrandizment as adults, and rather prone to dramatics and exaggeration.

and you know what I think about child abusers jack, or have you conveniently forgotten or perhaps you wouldn't recognize obvious nuance if you tripped over it.

 

Israel is a tiny state of what, six or seven million, or so?

Of which how many would be adults, approx.? Half maybe? So around 3million adults. Of which 25% are not Jews apparently.

So that takes it down to around 2.25mill adult Jews, on this tiny speck of a land.

Probably in the region of a Wales or something.

And yet, for all of that, the staggering levels of human trafficking in AND out of Israel, is jaw dropping, esp when you do that adult pop size comparison.

And you have to understand, Israel are allegedly tighter about their security, what comes in and how, and who, than Wales would be. Yet, against all the odds, it seems that Shin Bet, the famed Mossad, the state police, immigration people, cannot somehow control the regular and staggering levels of human trafficking into a tiny strip of land, populated by said 2.25 mill adults, all told.

I can dig examples out if you wish, and this once more demonstrates that general attitude Jews have to non Jewish life, since if they were taking it seriously, a state like Israel, with all their security, and paranoia, and walls, they could be the cleanest land in the World for that sort of crap, but no, they are actually among the worse offenders.

They also REFUSED to sign up to give charters that all other developed nations signed up to, that are there to protect women and children victims, and they almost never prosecute anyone they catch, let alone give them jail time, indeed, it is often the victim that is the victim, all over again. Suffice to say that the poor victims either tricked there or kidnapped, are not Jews, of course. On the contrary, it is Jews that do the kidnapping and trafficking in and out of Israel(who else would be able?). The Ukraine is a fav target for them, but not exclusively so. Clearly, you can see right there the immediate problem with Jewish organised crime getting such a free pass to move around the World, often having more than one nationality. Viscous, voracious, totally lacking in morality or ethics, they would stop at nothing and are all around. Think I am kidding? Be it at your peril, and once there, don't expect to see your daughter or child again.

Don't take it from me though, go look yourself, not just at the hard data, but at the stories also.

And remember ...tiny strip of land with around 2.25 adults.

It is prolific there because they let it happen, how obvious is it?

 

From the outset, you come across as a kind of deranged Holocaust denialist on this issue. You have an agenda.

 

If a mere child came to me with such an allegation, I would take it v seriously from the get go, and yes, I would incline to believing the child first. Hey, I would be more than happy to get all all these Jews, and see them put into a court in which the accused could be grilled, but see, the thing with being an occupier....you can cover up your own abuse.

Even the very nature of the evil way that state has evolved clearly lends itself to non Jews being dehumanised, and when that happens, Jews convince themselves that what they are doing is then okay.

 

A leading rabbi encourages the IDF to use Palestinans as human shields:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ers-to-use-palestinian-human-shields-1.320311

You're a bit late there Rabbi. As the Goldstone Report highlighted, they already had used Palestinians as shields. Not to be outdone though, it wasn't just adults, but children who were used as shields. So repugnant was this policy, that even the occupiers- as tokenistic as it was - felt it had to be seen to be doing something so as to appease the watchful eyes of the international community.

An Israeli military court has convicted two Israeli soldiers for using a Palestinian child as a human shield during an offensive in Gaza in 2009.

The soldiers were found guilty of reckless endangerment and conduct unbecoming for forcing the nine-year-old boy to check suspected booby-traps.

It is reportedly the first such conviction in Israel - where the use of civilians as human shields is banned.

The sentencing will be decided at a later date, the court said.

No protection

On Sunday, the southern command military court found the two Israeli soldiers guilty of "exceeding their authority to the point of endangering life" and conduct unbecoming in the incident in Gaza City's suburb of Tel al-Hawa on 15 January 2009.

A summary of the verdict said that - when rounding up residents of Tel al-Hawa - the soldiers came across bags in a home and ordered the Palestinian boy to search for suspected booby-traps.

"The boy, who feared for his fate and was under the stress of the situation, wet his pants," the three-judge panel wrote in the summary of the verdict.

"The court has noted that, unlike the soldiers, the child was, naturally, bereft of any form of protection."

However, the court acknowledged that at the time the soldiers - whose names have not been released - had been under "difficult and dangerous conditions".

The bags that the boy - identified only as Majd R - had checked did not have any hidden explosives and the child was later returned to his family unharmed.

Israel launched its Gaza offensive in December 2008, saying it was aimed at halting Palestinian rocket attacks from the territory controlled by militant Hamas movement.

Some 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed during the 22-day fighting.

Last year's report by UN investigator Richard Goldstone accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes during the fighting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11462635

 

Israel has refused to investigate the brutal ill-treatment of a Palestinian child, a human rights group has stated.

On 6 February 2010, Mohammad Halabiyeh, then aged 16, broke his leg during his arrest by the Israeli border police. Mohammad — who hails from Abu Dis, near Jerusalem — needed urgent medical treatment. Yet the police interrogated and tortured him for five days by beating him, kicking him on his injured leg and threatening him with sexual abuse.

While being taken to a hospital, the interrogators punched Mohammad in his face, taped his mouth shut and beat him with an iron bar.

Two months after the horrible events, the Palestinian prisoner rights group Addameer filed a complaint to the military prosecution and the general legal advisor for the Israeli government. Addameer received confirmation of the receipt of the complaint in April 2010.

“Display of apathy”
More than three years after the complaint — on 18 June this year — an Israeli military prosecutor informed Addameer that the file was closed without any investigations. The prosecutor had decided to send the file to the Israeli border police. But no investigations have been opened into the torture of Mohammad.

After a one-year trial, Mohammad was sentenced to 34 months in prison for alleged throwing of Molotov cocktails. His release came before the Israeli authorities had undertaken any investigation into his torture.

Addameer reminds us:

According to research by the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, all 700 complaints of torture made against interrogators in the past 10 years were closed without a criminal investigation. Additionally, many Palestinians who are tortured refuse to file complaints because of their lack of confidence in the system. This is not only a display of apathy towards the well-being of Palestinians, but also exposes the absolute impunity the occupation authorities practices in direct violation of international human rights and humanitarian law. To date, 73 Palestinian detainees have died from torture at the hands of their interrogators since 1967, most recently Arafat Jaradat, a young father who was detained for seven days before he was martyred in the interrogation cells on 23 January 2013.

Meanwhile, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child has published damning comments on Israel’s implementation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Israel’s “unavoidable responsibility” to prevent and eradicate torture and ill-treatment of Palestinian children is addressed in one paragraph of the 21-page document.

The committee found that torture and ill-treatment were a serious violation of the convention on children’s rights and a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention. It called on Israel to immediately remove all children from solitary confinement and to launch without delay an independent inquiry into all alleged cases of torture and ill-treatment of Palestinian children. “This should include ensuring that at all levels of the chain of command, those who have been ordering, condoning or facilitating these practices be brought to justice and be punished with penalties commensurate with the gravity of their crimes,” the report stated.

When “circumstances cast a doubt about the way confession was obtained,” the judicial authorities should investigate and prosecute acts that amount to torture or other forms of ill-treatment, the UN report stated. Israel’s refusal to investigate why Mohammad Halabiyeh was tortured clearly falls short of those requirements.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/adri-nieuwhof/israel-refuses-investigate-torture-16-year-old

 

Imagine all of Israel collapsed today, ALL of it, and suddenly, and without a chance to alter anything, all the lands, bio centre at Ness Ziona, perhaps some of the surrounding lands, perhaps equip and dogs to pick up trace elements underneath buildings, all their records, be they military related, financial, to do with all the Cast Lead type op's, their records of what they did to who, and how many....just imagine it was ALL laid out. I bet you the total and scale would be far worse than anything you or I have ever imagined.

 

He is no random bad apple though, indeed, this just shows that when Israel call themselves a secular democracy, they are ...neither.

They just say that to keep the seals here clapping.

I mentioned the use of Rabbi's before, on this thread I think, and how they convince stupid young Jews, to commit acts of great horror, often quoting right out of the self same Talmud, that they keep downplaying on here, or going off on a RANT when it is mentioned(note they often are most sensitive to that most true). It is nothing more than a cult, these so called Rabbi's, they are the true power, not the guys in suits. Put it this way, if it came down to something huge, and it was Netenyahu v Rabbinical power, the latter would win out. How come it is secular then, shall be asked. It's not. Just a façade, or quasi secular.

Of course, I could just be WANTING TO KILL SIX MILLION JEWS by telling you this.

Natch.


Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

*review snips*


This book should be required reading in all schools and universities, and indeed parliaments! Written by a learned Jew (who is therefore able to say much that would not be permitted these days by a non jew),


Israel Shahak explains how ridiculous is the notion that 'zionism' and 'Jewish' are quite separate entities.
They are inextricably intertwined.

'The roots of zionist thought and 'exclusivity' are directly drawn overwhelmingly from Babylonian Talmudic writings, and the very basis of the zionist dream of creating their 'Jewish state' in Palestine is justified by and originates from, schools of thought at the very heart of Orthodox Classical Judaism.

Though Israel claims to be a 'secular' state (a state having no religious or spiritual basis), the continued expansion of their borders and the brutal suppression of anyone seen as the enemy (including unarmed civilians) is routinely justified by reference to Talmudic writings.'



'Another aspect I find absolutely fascinating is the explanation of the very controlling, totalitarian nature of the rabbinical hierarchy throughout Jewish history.
Controlling of their own Jewish community'

'Israel Shahak points to the fact that there are tracts at the very heart of Talmudic theology that openly, consistently and continuously claim that Jewish people are a higher form of life than non-Jews whom it usually describes as being 'unclean' or no better than beasts.'


'It is important to make the observation that these examples are not drawn from obscure outdated Jewish texts irrelevant to the modern day, they lay at the heart of Classical Jewish Theology nowadays - that is why Shahak is so concerned and convinced that they need to be challenged along with other forms of racism and xenophobia.'



http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jewish-Hist...TF8&colid=2TQ6AF77KTY2H&coliid=I3U7K4JCFYAGHI

 

'Oy vey, oy vey, oy vey, one shot two kills, for it is written in the Talmud, that it is feasible to kill non Jews, oy vey, our god promisssssssssssssssst we could do this'...


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The Israeli military is mustering battlefield rabbis in what it calls a campaign to promote religious values in its frontline ranks. The move, announced in the latest issue of the military’s official weekly magazine, Bamahane, drew fire on Monday from one of Israel’s most popular newspaper columnists, who cautioned against creating a “God’s Army.”

Under the plan, a reserve army rabbi will be assigned to every battalion in the military’s northern command, whose areas of responsibility include the Lebanese and Syrian borders. “The assimilation of religion into combat battalions is increasing,” said an article in Bamahane, which gave details of the program being implemented after a year-long pilot project.


http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld...bbis-critic-warns-creating-against-gods-army/

 

"You'll remember fast enough if the UN praises America for anything...."

Taxcutter says:
It's been a while.

 

See, I would reserve judgement until I had the facts. Particularly in this circumstance. So, an actual investigation should be conducted in court? What kind of weird justice system is that?

You can cover up your own abuses if your just a government - or have you not been listening these past few weeks? However, you have to admit that there is investigative journalism is alive and well, and allegations of this seriousness would not be ignored. Sooner or later the truth shall prevail, but you seem to have already concluded the trial based on the faith of your hatred of jews.

edited>>>flame bait

 

the fact is that you don't know what a fact is.
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You only think I try to minimize or deny jewish "complicity", because you unquestioningly embrace any salacious unsubstantiated accusation as gospel when it comes to jews.

It is not a distortion of reality that brings my far more measured and balanced approach but it is your distortion of reality that brings a never ending litany of lies, misrepresentations, accusations, exaggerations and wet dreams. Of course you are an expert on denial, but in my particular case you are completely and totally and foolishly and demonstrably wrong - ain't no denying it, since the evidence is there for all to see.

But I suppose all bigots hold justice in the same esteem. Guilty of all accusations regardless of actual guilt because <insert object of hatred here> can't possibly be innocent.

 

Is it wrong to be a bigot against those that constantly give a free pass to evils done by Jews, up to and including torturing, sexually abusing, and burning kids with chemicals?

I think not.

I am PROUD to wear that bigotry as a badge of honour, thanks.

 

Tried to follow the OP to the actual 'report' but gave up after my computer locked up twice. Gotta agree with this comment from Reuters version of the same story:

Yep, pretty much sums it up for me, too. I'm not buyin it.

 

This is the link to the UN Report being discussed in the OP, a 21 pg report. http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a...462f6cd01d9e31e485257b90004850d3?OpenDocument

 

The Report is written by The Committee on the Rights of the Child and assesses Israels compliance with her treaty obligations under intl law, and her compliance with The Convention on the Rights Of the Child.

 

"Kirsten Sandberg, a Norwegian expert who chairs the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, said the report was based on facts, not on the political opinions of its members."

Indeed. Since they are all 'unbiased,' where is the corresponding report on children's rights being stepped on, crushed and then flushed down the toilet by Hamas?

 

I know who supposedly compiled the report, but without a link, it's just so much heresay. Do you have a link?

 

Here: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/crc/docs/co/CRC-C-ISR-CO-2-4.pdf

 

Thx for the link... I'll check it out when I'm back at my computer. Doesn't seem to be a UN site. I'll be interested to see the tie to that organization.

 

UNISPAL is a UN site that collects documents regarding the Israeli Palestinian conflict. And this is the link to June 14, 2013 UN Report on the Child and Israels violations of intl law from 2002 to 2012. http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a...462f6cd01d9e31e485257b90004850d3?OpenDocument It was also provided in Post 66. Its a 21 pg report and its addressing abuses against the child by Israel inside Israel and the OPT primarily over a 10 yr reporting period, a report on countries mandated by intl law.

 

Thousands of investigations and reports document abuses and torture against Palestinian children.

 

I pulled up your link and I do not find that comment there that you attribute to the article.

 

Truth has been brought into the Light. Those claims have no merit.