The USA is divided and there is no easy way out

True, there are a lot of unknowns. What the end looks like is unknown. But you can only push people so far before they revolt. The question is how far is too far. In the past, the lefties worked incrementally and kept the incremental steps small enough and spaced far enough apart to stay well below that limit, even to the point of being under the radar entirely.

But as the left advances, those steps become both larger and more personal so that people notice and start paying attention. That's where the USA is now. obamacare was the trigger for the USA that woke people up.

 

OK, I'll explain same sex marriage-

I am solidly conservative. I believe homosexuality is a sin, and will not condone or encourage homosexuality, but I had no interest in banning it. If 2 men (or 2 women) want to live together, that's their business. Live and let live.

I originally supported same sex marriage (until 2014) because the govt should treat people equally. Homosexuals claimed their concern was govt benefits (social security, disability, etc) and retirement programs and insurance for their partner, visitation at hospitals and end of life care, etc. That was reasonable, and a govt certificate (civil union) solves those problems.

If a church voluntarily decides to perform same sex weddings, then that's their business.

But then the gays changed their tune and started forcing their world view on people. If someone said homosexuality was a sin, the gays viciously attacked that person and his family, friends, employer/employees, customers. If a church did not want to perform a same sex wedding or recognize homosexuality or did not allow homosexuals to hold office, then the gays attacked it.

And the gays started to phrase same sex weddings and homosexuality as a civil rights issue and wanted special protected status.

Then it was clear the gays would not be satisfied with equality, they wanted enforced acceptance. They would not live and let live.

So I oppose same sex marriage and special rights for gays.

And many conservatives feel as I do.

 

"Fatal mistake"... Over reacting much?
The common ground is the survival of your society. The only one failing at compromising is you.

 

They don't think they have to move incrementally or hide, and they may be right.

 

What about the 14th Amendment issues? It wouldn't be the first time authoritarians sought to shred the Constitution to push personal agenda issues.

 

You can't just like you can't compromise with those who think the other side are Islamic Marxist Socialists.

 

So gays do not have 1st Amendment protection? The Westboro Baptist Church can hold up signs saying that God hates ****, other churches preach that gays are going to burn in hell and it's ok, but if the the gay community call out the bullshit, they can't? That sounds like a double standard to me. I do disagree with forcing churches to marry them (however this is the minority), though, I don't understand why any couple would want to get married by someone who thinks that they deserve eternal punishment for loving each other.

As for these special rights and special protected status you mentioned, I'm not sure what those would be. What rights are the gays asking for that are not given to everyone else?

 

Wrong. "progressives" believe society will fail only if the society rejects "progressivism". Conservatives believes all society's which operate under "progressivism" fail.

There is no common ground.

You clearly are not living in the USA. Your ignorance of the situation is extreme.

 

Historically the moved incrementally and quietly, but as I mentioned that time is past. All the small steps have been taken, there is no hiding their revolution any longer. obamacare was a big overt step but to the "progressives" it was worth it not just as a power grab but I think many of them thought it would benefit people and would win support....It also meant there was no hiding their revolution any longer.

They cannot move quietly now. They are close to winning, but that final step is almost always violent and resisted.

 

I will tell you this, they better come to me cause I ain't chasin' them..

 

End the drug war let's all smoke a doobie and get along..

 

Read what I wrote.

You have it completely wrong.

I wrote "I originally supported same sex marriage (until 2014) because the govt should treat people equally..... If 2 men (or 2 women) want to live together, that's their business. Live and let live".

I changed my position as soon as I saw that the gay mob was vicously attacking people who thought contrary to the gay agenda, even people who did not act against the gay agenda but held personal views the gays did not like. In other words, when the gays worked to deny people 1st amendment freedoms (free speech being one), and it was clear same sex marriage was a front, I opposed same sex marriage.

Is that clear enough or do I need to write it a 3rd time?

 

You're Not even making sense now.

 

Social media exaggerates the divide. The 24 hours news channels do too.

Sure, there are people who vehemently disagree, but they've always existed. They were just much more disconnected from each other because they didn't have instantaneous widespread communication like the internet provides.

People are really at war with the caricatures created to represent us all. They are, more often than not, people we know little about other than what the internet story just told us. Which makes it much easier to judge them.

 

The Russians got along well enough to fight off the Wehrmacht in WW2, but not well enough to fight off their worst enemy. So I'd say "getting along" isn't much of an aspiration.

Damn good thing the Founders didn't listen to people like you.

Would you say Russian society survived the Bolshevik Revolution?

 

Ok, then we can stick our tongues out at each other, but a civil war is out of the question.

Too fat, too spoiled.

Ha! I guess that’s the up side to fat and spoiled.

 

You mean the founders didn't make any compromised?
What does the bolchevik have to do with the democrat/republican divide in present day USA?
Are you so out there that you believe half of your population are bolcheviks? If you're then I'd be more incline to put the blame on mental health issue affecting the republican than any perceived bolchevik ressugence...

 

You're kidding yourself.

So those who are too fat and spoiled will get slaughtered or starve, and the outcome will be decided by whoever is left. Enjoy.

No, I mean they didn't compromise with those who wanted to enslave them - which, not coincidentally, is what leftists like Hillary want to do to decent Americans. You're welcome.

You wanna find out, answer the damn question.

 

We are definitely having a communication problem.

I understand that you originally supported same sex marriage but now feel there is some kind of gay agenda which now makes you opposed to same sex marriage. The thing is, there is no gay agenda, except to be treated like everyone else. Also, I've never seen the gay mobs attacking people (at least not physically), but I'm guessing that's not what you are talking about. It's funny that you talk about gays trying to deny people their 1st Amendment freedoms, but totally ignoring theirs. This is how freedom of speech works, the government cannot stop you from saying whatever you want (except in cases of slander or terrorist threats) but it does not protect you from other people using their freedom of speech to disagree with you or call you out for it. So if you say some homophobic remark, someone has the total right to call you out on it, of course, you have every right to defend yourself. This is called public discourse and is the foundation of democracy.

Now I'll admit that I might be misunderstanding what you mean by agenda. If I am, please let me know what the gay agenda is.

 

You've been huffing gun oil and binge-watching Red Dawn and Jericho reruns again, haven't you?

 

Or with fence sitters who constantly complain about others but never do anything constructive themselves

 

I seriously doubt that Putin gives a **** about the US or any other western country. In fact he's probably flattered (or amused?) by how much the west gives a **** about his.

 

Willya STAWP with this? We can't even get people to bloody VOTE in this country, (though I think that era may be over) Do you really think we're going to the barricades over fracking Health Care??

The worst part is that this is the kind of TRULY irresponsible **** that gets some Redford J Necker to think that the Revolution is Here so he stops cleaning his collection long enough to go out and slaughter a sorority (godless Jezebels all of 'em with the tight pants but I am the Lord's Righteous Arm)

 

Hence the "if anyone" at the beginning. I don't thing he gave a damn who one the last election as long as they were damaged sufficiently so as not to be a threat to him and his. Putin is a Russian nationalist pure and simple. He doesn't give any more of a crap about world socialism than Peter the Great whom he seems in many ways to have patterned at least his PR campaign after.