The USA is divided and there is no easy way out

I don't answer irrelevant questions. The democrats aren't bolcheviks, hell for the rest of the world they'd not be considered leftist. Yeah, you have the few oddball cases like bernie or that cortez chick but for the most part the democrat are centrist.

And arguing that the Clintons wanted to enslave people, a lie, in a thread were the republican are advocating waging war and killing half of the population of the USA is moronic at best and fascistic at worst.

 

The left has abandoned America culturally, politically, and economically.

They are the ones tearing America apart.

 

More accurately, you don't answer scary questions.

Please, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

 

Its very simple to understand.

"progressives" believe their social model is the only one that works, all others lead to failure.

Conservatives believe that dominant government such as "progressivism" always result in failure.

Conservatives cannot live under "progressivism", and vice versa. No common ground.

 

Here are examples of the gay mob attacking people, I list these because they were heavily reported in the media so you can read about them yourself.

Brendan Eich was driven out of Mozilla because 8 years earlier he voted for Prop 8. In his role at Mozilla, he implemented LGBT friendly policies and kept his private opinion to himself.

Phil Robertson (Duck Dynasty) said in an interview that he believed homosexuality was a sin, but there was no evidence he ever discriminated against homosexuals. The gay mob tried to have the show canceled - because Robertson had a personal opinion they did not like.

An owner of Memories Pizza, in response to a hypothetical question, said he probably would not cater a homosexual wedding. The gays threatened the owners and employees lives, the owners had to go into hiding. Gays swamped the shop with fake phone orders and crank calls, the shop closed down for a few weeks. Memories Pizza never discriminated, this was over a hypothetical question.

David and Jason Benham had their DIY tv show canceled due to the gay mob uproar because their father - a pastor - claimed that homosexuality was a sin. Note that the brothers did nothing wrong.

There are many more examples.

These are not cases of 2 groups debating, but cases of one group (the gays) harassing and threatening people and trying to do material harm to people simply because the gay horde did not like their speech.

 

Another gullible. We're all nationalists to a greater or lesser degree, aren't we? Aren't you??

 

That would be no. I am but every one is not.

 

The only reasonable solution to this problem is a peaceful, organized dissolution of the union.

A union that lacks common values and interests among its members is a union in name only.

 

The USA is already split into multiple nations. It has been since its inception. The US political system simply fails to reflect this reality. The so-called "anti-federalists" (Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, Melancton Smith, etc.) predicted ALL of this during the drafting and ratification of the US constitution. They predicted that the US government would be taken over by an aristocracy; they predicted that the country would be riven by bitter factionalism; they predicted that the US would turn into an empire. If you want to understand our present reality, you must first understand the arguments of the "anti-federalists".

 

And the vast majority are neither extreme progressivist or extreme conservative. They're in fact around the middle and open to compromise. If you're using PF as a measure of the overall population then I understand how ****ed is your viewpoint on society.

 

Eh, if you can't debate, don't waste my time. Welcome to the ignore list.

 

I don't think abandoned is the right term. Betrayed is. They've not so much turned their backs on America, as plunged their daggers in America back. Apathy about American decay is one thing, enthusiasm and promotion is another.

 

might be a good idea for the US to get a third or even 4th party
so no party can ever get 51% anymore and everybody is forced to work together/learn to compromise atleast to some degree

that seems to be the only way for the US to stay together other then one side completely defeating the other which in essence would mean you become a 1 party state like china

 

The Big Government people, "left", "right" or "middle" are all inherently anti-American.

 

All or certainly almost all Americans want a higher standard of living and very high level of personal liberty. To that extent we are united,.

 

Thats your opinion, but its not supported by anything. As unreliable as they have become, polls show a deep divide. Everything shows a deep divide, elections and polls and membership in organizations and politicians themselves.

And you make another false assumption. The only people that really count are the ones who speak up and are active, the silent and passive majority does not count. Its always been that way in human society. The ones that don't vote, don't count.

Even in the US Revolutionary War, only bout 3% of the population were actually active and directly participating, with another perhaps 10% in supporting roles.

So it does not matter what the "middle" thinks.

 

Polls are paid for and they say whatever pays tell them to say. And no, people who speak up don't have anymore power than those who don't. You don't have to speak to make a mark on a voting slip. The loudmouth don't control the money and media either. All they can do is post nonsense on forums and make fools of themselves walking around a statue with tiki torches.

And the world has evolved since the 18th century, but then of course you're against progress so you may haven't noticed...

 

So you think social media, propaganda, all those tv news shows, have no influence at all? Do you live in a cave?

 

Did they influence you? They sure don't influence me. Then again, I'm educated enough to distinguish between silly banter, like this thread of yours, and real information.

 

Of course all social models eventually fail. The problem with progressivism is that it wants to dismantle a perfectly functional social model because it thinks it is unfair. One progressive here stated that "racism is woven into every aspect of society." That implies the only progressive course of action is to tear the society apart. And that certainly appears to be what they are trying to do.

 

If a ship were sinking, it would be every bit as reasonable to propose transmutation of the hull into Styrofoam as a solution.

Fifty nation-states with disparate interests are not a whit more viable than a union full of the same people with disparate interests, for reasons that should be obvious.

 

The active people do control the country. They are the ones who spend the money, communicate, and influence voters and politicians and other involved people. They are the ones who spend the time and effort to influence legislation so it suits their interests. If you don't see that, then you live in a fantasy.

 

True. There are always people who want power, and their lust for power is what causes empires and nations to fail. "Progressives" lust for power is extreme as demonstrated by their activity over Trump and their antics over Kavanaugh.

 

A better analogy for my position would be abandoning the sinking ship, with each group taking its own life raft and fending for themselves, whereas your position seems to be that everyone remain on the sinking ship so that we all go down together.

And yet the world consists of hundreds of nation-states with even more disparate interests. Shall we consolidate them into a grandiose union as well?

 

But did they influence you? They sure didn't influenced me.