The USA is divided and there is no easy way out

Another Trump fan who is avoiding reality. A "kooky conspiracy theory?"

There are no less than four Congressional investigations into Trump's "witch hunt." Also, a special prosecutor has been on the job for 16 months looking into the matter. With Paul Manafort’s new plea deal Friday, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has now indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 32 people and three companies — that we know of. We can now add Trump's former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to that list.

I guess you didn't know all that.

There is a lot of reality Trump fans try very hard to avoid. You and Battle 3 just helped prove that statement. Thank you.

 

Oh I know all about it, but since none of it has anything to do with your kooky conspiracy theory, perhaps you want to explain which of these guilty pleas have anything to do with your allegation "that Trump's campaign team collaborated with the Russians to defeat Clinton."

Please, go ahead.

 

Right. Libs are not just silently observing America fall. They're the ones pushing America off the cliff.

 

No, you completely discredited yourself with your initial statement. You discredited yourself so much that I stopped reading after you admission of complete bias bordering on fantasy.

And if you read enough of the forum, you would know that I do not like Trump. So you FAIL completely.

 

They already feel entitled to my stuff. And because of the "union", they are able to stake a quasi-legitimate claim to it.

Good people can cooperate without being united under a consolidated political system. They're called "alliances" and "treaties". And by the way, when Franklin said that, the US was under the Articles of Confederation, not the US Constitution.

The world has always consisted of numerous nation-states with disparate interests going back to the beginning of civilization. To attribute this state of affairs to the US union is risible beyond belief.

 

And if the Union dissolves, they'll stake a claim to it that's every bit as effective - but I guess you'll feel better about the fact that it lacks any pretense of legitimacy.

Treaties are made between sovereign nations - which, in case you didn't know, are themselves consolidated political entities.

The point being...?

One might take that view if one neglected the fact that empire building is every bit as old as civilization, and that the independence of many nation-states has been purely nominal.

A country the size of, say, Costa Rica cannot have any semblance of independence in coexistence with acquisitive superpowers like Russia and China unless there's someone around who can and will raise compelling objections; and on this planet, no country is more qualified in that regard than the US.

 

Putting aside the purely speculative and highly presumptuous nature of your assertion, why would a claim that lacks even a pretense of legitimacy be more effective than a claim that doesn't?

Yes, I would feel much better. Removal of the pretense would reveal them for what they really are: Thieves and extortionists.

Consolidation is something that happens from the top-down. Genuine nations are built from the bottom-up.

Anyway, good people can cooperate with each other while maintaining separate, independent political systems. The USA and Canada, for example. It is not necessary for them to surrender their independence and enter into a political union.

That Franklin's statement doesn't support your argument. Quite the opposite, in fact. Franklin's statement proves that the States can cooperate with one another while maintaining separate, independent political systems.

Some nation-states were subjugated and some were not. But the world has always consisted of a number independent nations with disparate interests. Your centralist logic taken to its inveitable conclusion would subjugate the entire planet under a global government.

Costa Rica probably has more to worry about from the US than from Russia or China. Anyway, small countries can enter into large confederacies. There is no reason why they must unite their political systems in order to cooperate in matters pertaining to a common interest.

 

Simple, time. Millenials and minorities are heavily democrat and will eventually become majorities. All we have to do is wait. Patiently.

 

Good info graphic in this short.

 

A majority pulls the shots. Wait for what? Obliteration?

 

No "Easy Way Out"?

Sure there is.

Give the Senate and the House to Dems in the Midterms, and then vote Trump out in 2020.

Problem solved.

 

You'd have to ask whoever made such an assertion.

Swell. They're gonna have your stuff anyway, and that's a deal they'll be plenty OK with - you, not so much.

And your basis for that claim is...?

Elementary, my deah Holmes. The question is whether they can do it anywhere other than in a geopolitical vacuum.

Obviously it doesn't prove any such thing; but even if it did, the underlined doesn't contradict anything I said.

As for the AoC, if you think under that charter the states were independent political systems, you have either not read or not comprehended the document.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

...and that's the proof.

More to the point, were the US to dissolve, CR would have a million times more to worry about from Russian and China than it ever had to worry about from the US in its worst nightmares.

The Founders sure as hell found one or two.