There is a solution to school shootings

I used the word never to illustrate the falseness of the assertion that it’s safer to consolidate the power to conduct violence into the hands of government, rather distributing that power across the entire population. The suggestion that violence can be eliminated from the popopulation, by empowering the government to be the most violent is fallacy.

What’s the third option? Either you have the power or the government does. Destroying guns does not destroy power. It doesn’t destroy violence or the motivation to be violent. You’re just making a more powerful weapon for violent people to wield.

And if you’re trying to suggest to me that government isn’t a weapon, then what is its purpose other than to force people to comply with a specific policy or agenda? Is that not a weapon?

 

You're argument depends on the US being comparable to the USSR in the related dimensions.

I would dispute that strenuously.

It's like claiming that we're socialist because we have Medicare - so we're one president away from being Cuba.

 

Firearms 101 and 102, 6 semester hours plus pass at the range to become a teacher. Automatic concealed carry permit issued upon hiring all teachers, carry mandatory.

 

You're still concocting extremes to protect the idea that there is nothing we can do.

And, your total disrespect is noted - probably the main source of your contention that the government is, pretty much by definition, a total failure.

 

There were at least two armed officers at the school at the time of this mass shooting.

A CCW is meaningless. There are "must issue" states all over the place.

 

Difficult for two armed officers to protect 23,000 students, especially when the murderer had attended that school, knew the architecture, and may have known the armed officers habits and their weak points to take advantage of in a surprise attack.

Teachers need firearms proficiency and mandatory carry.

 

No “assault weapons” were used at VA Tech. FAIL.

Right. Because felons never get guns illegally. FAIL.

You don’t need a bump fire stock to bump fire. FAIL.

Thugs will just buy black market. FAIL.

FAIL. We can eliminate soft targets known as “gun- free zones.” Why is there never a mass shooting at a police station?

 

The exclusive private schools that the Hollywood anti-gun liberal elites send their kids to all have armed security 24/7.

 

I've heard that used as a red herring. Where's the legislation and funding?

Oh well that's not part of the strategy.

Just words spoken after 20 or 30 kids get gunned down

 

Why aren't there any mass shootings at gun ranges where guns, ammunition, and magazines are most prevalent?

 

I think everyone is missing the problem. Where we or should I say where society went wrong if anyone really cares that it has gone wrong. I grew up in the 1950's, a time when there were no gun control laws at all. With the possible exception that one had to have a federal permit to own a machine gun. Society was completely different back then. Yet, even with no gun control laws, there was exactly one mass shooting that entire decade

As a 13 pr 14 year old I could ride my bike into town and buy shells for my .410 at the Western Auto. No questions asked. Few people locked up their guns. Probably most keep them in a hall closet or in racks over the fireplace. Seeing rifles and shotguns in racks in the back window of a pickup was as common as drinking a coke. Fact is if one went out into the school parking lot, one would see guns in the back window there. Yet none of us kids would ever think of bothering them. Chances are the pickups and all cars in that parking lot were unlocked.

Instead of more gun control laws or having a platoon of Rangers in each school these days, I suggest we delve into our society and find what went wrong. What make our current society as sick and ill as it is that these things happen. Those solutions offered is like giving an aspirin to a patient who has brain cancer to relieve a headache. One is just trying to treat a symptom and ignoring the cause.

Until we're willing to dig deep into today's society to find the causes, any amount of gun control or even putting police in schools, arming teachers, etc is just like that aspirin. The aspirin will make the patient feel better, more gun control or armed guards probably would make us also feel better. But it doesn't address the problem. It doesn't find the cause. It doesn't alleviate anything that could either help the patient or today's society.

 

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Stop making excuses for the Democrats.

The NRA is no where close to being as powerful as you alt-lefties make them out to be.

 

You really think "pining for the good ol days" is an actual solution?

 

The Democrats "crammed" through ObamaCare with zero Republican votes and the majority of the American people were against it, yet the Democrats did it anyways.

So, why didn't they cram through gun control?

And the Democrats had a super majority (60%) in the Senate the first year Obama was in office.

Stop making excuses for the Democrats.

 

Completely WRONG.

An EPIC FAIL of a comment.

Next.

 

Gun ranges aren't arming anybody.

So, why haven't there been any mass shootings a gun ranges?

 

Please observe conventional quotation practices if you want a response. If you think you can keep guns out of the hands of people intent on doing harm, you cannot. Heroin is illegal to manufacture, distribute, sell, and possess. Yet you can buy heroin in almost any locale in about 20 minutes. People who want guns will get them. The best defense being a good offense, maybe that heroic football coach who died using his own body to shield students from the gunfire would be alivr today had he been able to return fire.

 

Frankly I don't CARE if I get a response.

I have responded to your nonsense in the most effective way I could find.

Deal with it

 

Stop listening the the alt-left media making the NRA out to being this powerful lobbying group, because they aren't.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...ociation-is-the-most-powerful-lobby-in-the-US

 

There certainly have been gun deaths at ranges

 

Oh and by the way...per capita gun ownership was FAR lower in the 50s.

 

The NRA's power come more from riling up voters...and that's powerful

 

Russians in 1920 weren't some primative ape culture. Many of them were less than two generations removed from you. Yeah, they are directly comparable in more dimensions than you care to realize. The mistakes they made are mistakes that you can and will make for the exact same reason they made them.

And I will support it strenuously.

No. It's not like claiming that. It is like claiming that the flaws of socialism are part of our nature every bit as much as the flaws of capitalism are. Every country is one president away from Cuba. After all, aren't the liberals currently screaming that we're one race baiting nationalist tweet away from being Mussolini's Italy?

Meanwhile someone in this very thread has called everyone who supports the second amendment insane. Do you realize how attractive it is to paint everyone who disagrees with you as mentally ill? Do you think he's the only one that thinks that? What does an authoritarian government do with people it thinks are insane? Does it give them autonomy? Does it allow them to make their own choices? No. It throws them in gulags and reprograms them, or worse.

Your autonomy is a delicate thing. Handing it over to someone else you don't even know is a bad idea.

 

Here's your red herring.
Here's the NRA article: https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...p-mcsallys-introduction-of-mental-health-bill

Here's the bill in congress: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3722