There is a solution to school shootings

A Muslim Terrorist used a box truck to kill 83 people and injured hundreds more in Nice, France.

Muslim Terrorists used fully automatic AK47's to shoot up a cafe in France.

"Get a ****ing brain."

 

On the contrary, I think I’m the only side of this discussion making any attempt to engage my brain on the subject. You’ve made a very poorly constructed argument. Are you saying that the governments of other countries are never usurped by insane people, or are you saying that a country full of insane people needs to empower some of the insane people to control all of the insane people?

You’re advocating for a very short sighted poorly thought out position either way. You’re not eliminating the ability to produce violence. You’re just trying to create a more powerful weapon. I’m telling you that insane people who want powerful weapons get them. That’s what they do.

So the solution then to insane people getting their hands on powerful weapons cannot be to make a more powerful weapon that you just trust no insane person will be able to get their hand on.

 

WTF???

The issue is shootings in the general public.

Specifically, we've had a school related shooting every 60 HOURS of American education according to:
https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/



What people do at gun shows is ... GET ARMED!!

 

Armed teachers won't work. Most school shooters are individuals. In a school of 3000, the few teachers that are willing to arm themselves won't have great odds of stopping the shooting. They will be in anotehr part of the building. And when it starts, it won't be clear where to go to stop anything. And people will die. So no, it won't stop anything.

This school had an armed guard on campus. Didn't help.

So, you don't know how to stop these shootings then...

 

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Obviously it hasn't in some cases...

Most humans evolved to using their brain.

 

When you use words like "never" you're simply making false premises.

When you propose two stupid alternatives you're simply making fallacious arguments, hoping that supports you.

When you accuse someone else of being short sighted while you're not even doing THAT much, you are failing - even if the other person could be shown to be short sighted - which you fail to support.

Your last sentences wraps it up with ridiculous proposition based on your favorite false premises and carefully engineered to be a fail.

And, then you suggest someone ELSE is making bad arguments!!!

 

Germany.
Venezuela
Russia
Ukraine
Greece
Syria
Iran

Do you need more examples?

 

I guess that guy thinks there should be as many guns in the general public as there are at gun shows, gun ranges, gun stores and the like. Teachers should be armed, students should be armed, parents should be armed, store clerks should be armed, nursery school workers should be armed, even the toddlers I suppose, movie theatre workers should be armed, gas station attendents, etc. and so on. Everyone in the country should be carrying, and then, oh yes, then we would be so safe!

 

I can't answer for your lack of knowledge of women in history and do laugh at your "women are all evil and caused all the evil in the world" CRAP.

 

This is completely false because you refuse to admit the obvious issues. Guns were INVENTED to kill. They were invented to arm more people and make them more lethal with less training. It was designed to make armies more lethal. It had nothing to do with preparing food or offering a service so someone can move from one place to another to take a promotion. Until you argue that guns have no purpose but to kill, you can't even talk about "other" weapons.

Guns basically let fat, lazy people kill. Not that all people who own guns are fat and lazy, but you need no skill and much less risk to kill many more people. That's a fact. Accept it. When you accept that fact, you realize that the only sane course is to restrict the weapons specifically designed to kill other people. That's the start. You making AR-15's harder to get. You make guns harder to get for people who have legal and mental health issues. Those are the only effective steps that will work.

And you know who agrees? Law enforcement. Most gun owners. You know who disagrees? The NRA and fat, lazy internet trolls.

 

Seriously? You would suggest those are the nations that show leadership worth having the US follow?

As for Germany:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/United-States/Crime

What's your point?

 

"Republicans will never do anything on gun control," says former GOP Rep. David Jolly. "The idea of gun policy in the Republican party is to try to get a speaking slot at the NRA and prove to that constituency that you are further right."

 

Answer the question....Why aren't there any mass shootings at gun shows, gun stores and gun ranges where guns, ammunition, and magazines are most prevalent?

 

The Democrats controlled the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Presidency all of 2009 and 2010 and they did nothing about gun control. Why?

 

Yup, crossfire; embrace it again.

 

Because that's where all the good guys are.

 

Really? So fat lazy folks can't also get in a rental truck and kill people? Are you seriously suggesting that only a gun can fit your limited comprehension? Well, be that as it may, intent is still the driver of the conversation. The gun I use to skeet shoot hasn't ever been a weapon that has killed. The gun's intent was only to shoot skeet. Of course, you don't understand that, just as you don't understand that the truck that was designed to haul heavy things is also a hugely effective blunt instrument that can kill folks. That doesn't seem to require any real skill other than a lack of conscience and a heavy right foot.

You know what happens when AR-15s are harder to get? Liberal administrations ship them to drug lords to make a point so they can use them to kill folks, like the nice boarder guard in TX with. Your position is utterly laughable. What is says is screw logic, or reality, the fantasy is all that matters.

 

Why would you shoot up the place that's arming you???

I really didn't think that needed to be said.

The issue here is that we're seeing mass shootings, and many of them are at SCHOOLS.

SCHOOLS!!

Having zero gun shows would be OUTSTANDING if what it gets us is 1 fewer mass shooting at schools. I'm not say that would be the result - just prioritizing here.

 

Because Republicans absolutely refused, and you can't just cram through all the legislation you want that the minority doesn't like.

Whatever happens on guns is going to have to be reasonably bipartisan.

It's going to have to come out of committee and there will need to be Republicans on the committee who are making meaningful contribution.

Today, the NRA/Putin and others would primary any Republican who wanted to work on reducing the number of mass shootings of school kids.

 

They sure can, but let's remove the exaggeration from my part and note the key differences you again refuse to acknowledge.

MOVING TRUCKS have a use to society OTHER than killing. Namely, moving large, heavy things that even the slimist most ambitious person could NOT move without the truck. Are you incapable of acknowledging that?

Can any object be used to kill? Of course. I could kill you with a spoon if I were so inclined. But why would I when I just get an AR-15 and do you in barely a second with the slightest twitch of my finger? Do you not see the difference there?

You mean...shooting clay pigeons? So in otherwords, you engage in a hobby that simlulates killing birds. Of course, if you can shoot a bird, you can probably shoot a person. The origin of your little hobby is to kill people, eventually, and to kill birds to eat. So again, killing is the purpose and an easy extension to killing people. a MUCH EASIER extension that a rental truck is to killing people.

Need more proof? How many trucks are rented every day? And how many are used to intentionally kill people? How many are rented with the INTENT or ATTEMPT to kill people?

OK, now how many guns are bought every day with the intent to kill people, even if it's say self defense? Way more.

You can't win this because you are arguing not from reality, but from your personal bias which is in contrast to reality.

And you can talk about how the fast and furious operation was a huge mistake and I won't argue. But again, you are wrong on every count because you refuse to admit your hobby and the way you ridiculously defend it just helped to get 17 kids killed. My hobbies don't. I still win and you shouldn't throw around words like logic without understanding the concept.

 

Because the NRA has its hooks in democrats too. Duh.

 

Because people are going in there to BUY guns to shoot up schools. Duh.

 

You commented on MY post.....not some "righties". Nothing of what you implied was in my post. Moronic talking points like what you spew is not helpful to any situation.

 

What I’m suggesting is that were are not so far removed from mistakes that have been made repeatedly in the last 100 years. If you think that those mistakes can’t happen here, then you’re one of the reasons why the mistakes happen repeatedly in the first place.

- Solzhenitsyn.

If you think for one second that you’re not the type of person that could precipitate the mistakes that took place in each of those countries I listed, then you’re in grave danger of making those exact same mistakes.

 

Sure they do, but people like you don't want to listen. The NRA has backed legislation to make it easier to report mental illness. People on this forum that are "aficionados" regularly back and agree with better mental health for people, but people like you never get on board with that. Your like a 1 trick pony......ban this type of gun, smaller magazines.......and on and on.

Take the cotton out of your ears and listen to alternatives.