There is a solution to school shootings

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  1. Fangbeer

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    This is a society issue. Are woman not part of society? The blame for single parent homes lay in part in both parents. The idea that men need to be more like woman isn’t one that springs from the mind of men, that’s for sure.
     
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    A mentally disturbed but smart person. Apparently the kid had no family. And the kindness of someone not related took him in. And not being his family they probably didn't watch him as they would their own kids. Conjecture. But makes sense.

    Yet not all kids in his situation would mass murder. I always think these kind of murderers are mentally ill in a very bad way. Some would just call it evil, but that evil has a cause and in this case it has to be mental illness. He was surely not socially conditioned to be a mass murderer of kids. No one is taught this behavior.

    This kind of mentally ill will always present a grave threat to society. And this is our reality and you cannot legislate it away unless we start locking potential perps early on, build prison mental institutions in which to house them and keep them apart from society. And then you might not get them all.

    Something has changed though. There is a reason we never used to see these mass killings by young people in our schools, but it has become common today. So, in a cause effect universe, what is the cause or causes for this? The cause needs to be treated and addressed.
     
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    Look at history of man clear back to hunter gatherer society. Men provided, women nurtured. Suddenly kids have two providers no nurturers and suddenly you have school shootings. You keep avoiding movies and videos though apparently we agree on that.
     
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    If you're a Republican, you vote to allow kids to be hosed down like ducks in a pond,
     
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    That isn’t an accurate depiction of Hunter-gatherer society. Women were just as important to providing as men were.
     
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    Yes they gathered with their children in attendance.
     
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    Most of the school shootings were children in gangs killing other children

    They used illegal handguns that they were too young to own legally
     
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    No, they handed the children off to older tribemembers who were no longer capable of providing.
     
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    Sorry to see you are still back in a cave slaying dinosaurs.....the rest of the world has moved on...


    The idea that school shootings are the only violence on earth does say something about your perspective and lack of knowledge of history and current events...

    ..there WAS history between cave men and today :)...sorry you missed it ...



    Your stating that ALL children from one parent homes are pregnant and killers is quite laughable.
     
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    So you think that women have no qualities worth emulating....thank you for being so honest about your sexism and misogyny...
     
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    Personality traits certainly play a role, but if you condition female traits into men you can end up with some maladaptive neurotic violent men. Men need to learn temperance and restraint of male aggression. That doesn’t mean they have to learn to not be aggressive. It means they need to learn how to be appropriately aggressive. That’s not something woman can effectively teach because male aggression is not a typical female trait.
     
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    4 billion years of evolution doesn’t just move on. We share biology with creatures that existed before trees existed. If you think you can out rationalize your biology you’re dead wrong.
     
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    Women tribe members, grandmother's most likely
     
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    Women and men. Older tribemembers took care of children while men and women engaged in providing for the tribe.

    You want to talk about “natural gender roles”, well in them women are just as much providers are men are.
     
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    Women not staying home and raising kids is a very new phenomenon that started during WW2 as a necessity and progressed to where we are now based on greed and so called women's liberation.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Women were always responsible for nurturing their children. It's only a very recent phenomenon that they have abdicated these duties.
     
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    So the upshot is we do nothing and let this keep happening
     
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    I’ll give you an example.

    Our zero tolerance violence policy on school playgrounds actually inhibits one of the socialization tools that males use to learn appropriate aggression regulation. Ironically appropriate play fighting when children are younger can translate to less violence when they are older. It’s better to learn about the consequences of violence when you’re 10 and less able to actually injure someone, than when you’re thrust out into the world at 18 and completely removed from any appropriate social guidance.

    They say Junior high social interactions are brutal. They need to be, because they are role playing an existence in an actual brutal world. That’s the appropriate time to learn how to navigate such a world. Take that away, and it will be less likely that adults will appropriately navigate the brutality of the world.
     
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    Refer to my first post in this thread and then comment with solutions and not emotion.
     
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    Again, very inaccurate. Women working was a common feature in society throughout the entire period up to modern society, including both pre- and post-Industrial Revolution.
     
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    That is not a claim you can back up with science.
     
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    Do you offer any solutions.......I think we should look into the cause of people's behavior and address the problem at the source.
     
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    Inf amatory BS

    Intelligent discussion is required to solve problems. If you can't offer anything please refrain from replying.
     

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