The goal of the Mandate for Palestine was to create a Jewish national home in Palestine. That has been fulfilled. That's why the UN concluded and ended the Mandate on May 15, 1948. A national home for the Jews has been created in Palestine, the Mandate has been fulfilled.
It has been fulfilled? so are you telling me that in the document of the Mandate is written the exact boundries that today Isreal exist on? If not, then you cant say that the document was fulfilled, and since there were no exact boundries for that national homeland, then it can be indeed include Judea and Samaria, since this territory is part of "Palestine". As I already told you: That's not what the document of UNSCOP says (the document you provided). The document you provided only say that the "Palestine" commission has ended it's responsibilities due to resolution 181, but since resolution 181 didnt fulfilled not the document of UNSCOP doesnt mention anywhere that they cenceling the document of the Mandate, then you can use this document as some "evidence" that shows that the UN cenceled the document of the Mandate (which they didnt).
The Jewish national home in Palestine has been created and existed for over 67 years. That was the goal of the Mandate, so the Mandate has been fulfilled. Remember, Israel was accepted as a member state of the UN based on UNGA 181, and Israel accepted this. The Mandate was ended by the UN, as Israel's creation fulfilled the Mandate.
It has been fulfilled? so are you telling me that in the document of the Mandate is written the exact boundries that today Isreal exist on? If not, then you cant say that the document was fulfilled, and since there were no exact boundries for that national homeland, then it can be indeed include Judea and Samaria, since this territory is part of "Palestine".
Yes, the Mandate was fulfilled by the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine, which was the goal of the Mandate.
Where exactly in the document of the Mandate does it mentions the exact boundries that today Israel exists on?
The Mandate doesn't mention any specific borders that the Jewish homeland MUST encompass. It simply says "a Jewish national home in Palestine". No final borders are listed. However, in 1947 the UN had responsibility for the Mandate, and decided to split it between Arab and Jewish states. The Jews accepted this. Then in 1949 the state of Israel was accepted as a UN member based on the UN resolution 181, calling for a Jewish and Arab state in Palestine. Israel accepted the idea of an Arab state in the West Bank, and offered peace with that Arab state in the West Bank and dropped any claims on the territory, in exchange for peaceful relations.
Map of the Mandate http://i37.tinypic.com/290x1df.jpg Map of Ancient Israel http://www.wikichristian.org/images/e/e5/Ancient_Israel_830_BC.jpg
Nowhere in the Mandate for Palestine does it state that the entire territory will become a Jewish national home. Nevertheless, UNGA 181 decided to split the territory between Jewish and Arab states, the Jews accepted this, and Israel was made a UN member based on UNGA 181.
And all the peace agreement that Israel offered to the Arabs, they rejecet, hence, the agreements have no validity. Even resolution 181 the Arabs didnt accept, which made this resolution not valid and because it was an UNGA resolution it is not binding. Now, If the document of the Mandate havent mentioned any spesific boundries for this national home, then you cant say that the document was fulfilled, and since there were no exact boundries for that national homeland, then it can be indeed include Judea and Samaria, since this territory is part of "Palestine".
UNGA 273, which made Israel a UN member, references UNGA 181. so unless Israel accepts an Arab state in the West Bank, their membership in the UN is null & void.
Any reference of resolution 181 is not valid, since from 1947 this resolution was not been accepted and because this was an UNGA resolution, then it is not a binding resolution, thus Israel doesnt need to accept an Arab state, since resolution 181 is not binding, like the rest of UNGA resolutions are not binding.
UNGA 181 is the basis for the existence of the State of Israel. if you ignore 181, you ignore Israel. btw, UNGA 273, which made Israel a UN member state, is also a non-binding resolution. so according to you, Israel's membership in the UN can be ignored.
Right, but the document didnt spesify any boundries to this national homeland but only refered to an area (= "Palestine").
it said "in Palestine". that could mean 50%, 20%, 90%, it did not specify. But in UNGA 181, they finally specified what territory should be for the jewish national home.
No, resolution 181 is not the basis on the existance of Israel. Ben Gurion declered Israel as a state because of the acceptnace from the UN that the Jews need to have a state in "Palestine", and that's why Ben Gurion declered Israel as a state. It doesnt contradict that the UNGA resolutions are not binding, which means that the UNGA resolution dont necessarily have to be fulfilled, but when they are been fulfilled, you cant ignore what was been fulfilled. Which means that the UNGA 273 didnt necessarily had to be fulfilled, but it did.
Right, and if the document of the Mandate havent mentioned any spesific boundries for this national home, then you cant say that the document was fulfilled, and since there were no exact boundries for that national homeland, then it can be indeed include Judea and Samaria, since this territory is part of "Palestine". Resolution 181 had not relevence for today's reality, since it hasnt been accepted by the Arabs.
The Mandate for Palestine document called for the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine, and that has been fulfilled. its over, bro. - - - Updated - - - UNGA resolutions aren't binding? so which ones are?
As I already told you: It has been fulfilled? so are you telling me that in the document of the Mandate is written the exact boundries that today Isreal exist on? If not, then you cant say that the document was fulfilled, and since there were no exact boundries for that national homeland, then it can be indeed include Judea and Samaria, since this territory is part of "Palestine". - - - Updated - - - All of UNGA resolutions are not binding.
so which ones are binding? - - - Updated - - - so you're saying the Mandate for Palestine isn't fulfilled until the State of Israel control all the land from the river to the sea? that's idiotic bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
UNSC, but also those resolutions need to respect and follow the UN Cahrter, and since the UN Charter in Article 80 it protects the document of the Mandate, the UNSC resolutions need to respect and follow also Article 80 of the UN Charter. - - - Updated - - - That's not bul(*)(*)(*)(*), but it is what the document of the Mandate says. It says that the Jewish national homeland needs to be reconstitue in "Palestine", and since you say that it doesnt say that this national home needs to be reconstitue in all of "Palestine", then it is indeed can be include Judea and Samaria, since "all of Palestine" is including Jordan as well.
Where exactly in the document of the Mandate does it mentions the exact boundries that today Israel exists on?
it doesn't. that's why you can't say that the Mandate isn't fulfilled until ALL of Palestine becomes a Jewish national home.
I never said that all of "Palestine" becomes a Jewish national homeland. If Judea and Samaria will be part of Israel then it will not be "all of Palestine", because "all of Palestine" includes Jordan as well.