Things which could exist in a world without atheism

Not necessarily, many converts to Nation of Islam come from the prison system, although they grew up Baptist or A.M.E.. They exchange one form of peer pressure (gangsta) for another. It is for the most part for the better, although there is an undercurrent of racism, but there is also bow ties.

 

I've always found it curious that people think of themselves in 3-dimensions but think of others as 1-dimensional. I truly believe that's the biggest contributor to our social interaction barriers between people. It's just not an effective way to meet some sort of middle ground.

 

But those behaviors are just the natural expression of atheism, while religion such as Christianity is about overcoming the weakness and inferiority in the self which leads to such bestial behaviors. Atheism is about reveling in rape, murder, torture, child molestation, and other vices as though they're pleasurable and "natural" much as they are in animals - and if there was simply a way to eradicate, genetically or otherwise, any potential for atheism in the human consciousness, those things should cease to exist, since one who knows God wouldn't be content to live as a beast.

So I'd consider even so-called "religious" atrocities to be atheistic at heart, and an atheist can't find any of those things morally repugnant to being with except on faith and plagiarizing from religion.

 

You're joking, right? How on Earth did you reach the conclusion that any of that has anything to do with Atheism? You can't be serious.

 

You were saying? ....



https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...ests-using-nuns-as-sex-slaves-pulled-1206023/

 

Isn’t the Christ

There it is! “No True Scotsman”. !

No true Christian would do these things so even when you are a member of the clergy and you commit a sin, you are an atheist at heart.

 

It's not that complicated. They claim that God made man in his image and that's true. He is a angry, vengeful jealous God and so are his kids. That's how he rolls.

 

And you don't think atheists can have the same?

 

what? you think they do have the same?
atheists base their beliefs in what they can see and touch, nothing spiritual.
here is the argument: Prove to me that its bad for someone to murder you.
There are no laws that I know of in the animal kingdom, eat or be eaten

 

I can't tell if you are being serious or just trying to make people who say bull **** like this look even more ridiculous. Poe's Law strikes again.

Have you read what the Bible has to say about rape and murder? I doubt it.

 

which one are you talking about?

 

Statistically, most believers have never read the full Buy-Bull. They grab ahold of a few of their favorite lines and try to beat everybody over the head with their interpretation of just those parts.

It's non-believers (usually former believers) that have read it, supporting documents and various versions.

Cue: Meltdown and condemnation to burn in their imaginary hell for all eternity.

 

Frankly, reading it was what set me on the path of becoming a "non-believer."

 

Seems to me atheists can base their beliefs in anything, other than a god. True, in practice most atheists are unlikely to go to "spiritual" for their beliefs, but your suggested morality doesn't seem out of reach.

"Thou shalt not murder me, which carries the moral obligation that I shall not murder you" ​

(reworded for brevity and grammar)

Isn't that just as good a justification for any atheist as it is for an agnostic? Is it any harder for an atheist to prove than it was for you?

I'm not sure where this is going. Does that line give agnostics any better access to a morality than it gives atheists?

 

All of this was addressed above, and you ignored it.

 

Atheists get their morality the same way theists do: From a mixture of empathy, sense of fairness, and social programming.

Only big difference is that theists are more influenced by religious social programming, and some theists like the OP get so absorbed in the religious dogma that they can no longer recognize their inborn empathy and fairness senses.

And that is why the important question, that people such as the writer of the OP flee from is: If you lost your belief in God, would you be murdering, raping, etc?

I have asked the OP writer this question 3 times now. He ignored it twice. I dare him to answer.

The answer is usually no, which undercuts the OP's claim, but occasionally the answer is yes. And those people are dangerous so it is good for us to know who they are.

 

Easily! The contradictions, alone, should relegate it to the "Fiction" section of any bookstore.

Quite, frankly, I think that's what scares them especially since they seem to NEED some book to tell them to have morals and values. That's got to suck, in itself. I'd be scared as hell if I needed somebody/something outside myself to tell me how not to be a jerk. Isn't that some form of subservience and puppetry? Yikes.

Oh, my bad. It's because "God" didn't speak to us clearly enough for us to know it's all "God-breathed" and He has to give our hearts the desire to know it's all true. (Sorry, yard, couldn't type that with a straight face)

 

You aren't going to get an answer to that question. Manage your expectations. Glad I could help.

P.S. I knew a guy years back that drugged and raped women regularly. He was a devout Christian and actually told his victims that "God lead me to this because he made you so beautiful." How many levels of crazy is that nonsense?

I also know two former full-time ministers who are currently in prison for serial rape of their congregants.

 

can you lose your faith in God? LIke dont murder anyone? I suppose you could prove you lost your faith in God if you murdered raped and stole, that would be pretty good evidence, otherwise how can you know if someone 'lost' their faith in God in practice?

Which religious programming?
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › LaVeyan_Satanism
LaVeyan Satanism is a nontheistic religion founded in 1966 by the American occultist and author Anton Szandor LaVey. Scholars of religion have classified it ...
‎Nontheistic religion

The amount of equivocation atheists throw out here makes it impossible to follow wtf they are talking about without pure assumptions

 

Aardvark.

Okay, yeah, weird, random word, and that's intentional. It is just my way of bookmarking this post for later, using the search feature, because it is worth a thread of its own and I want to reference later. It's amazing how much social programming, both religious and secular, goes into overriding our sense of empathy and fairness.

 

Lol, no. Prison is full of people asking for gods forgiveness. Christianity even makes it convenient for them, all they need to do is sincerely believe.

Most of us act morally because it's the best thing for us. If I kill somebody, I can never rest easy again. The law could find me, 1 day or 30 years later. If I act violent, others are more likely to use violence against me. If anything, believing in an afterlife where Jesus will forgive you for anything lowers the stakes of being immoral.

Being materialistic isn't so much related to believing or not believing in god. Plenty of people who believe in god are more into material things and greed than I am.

Way better would be to get rid of religious belief so that we can focus on things like improving the real world and extending our lifespans.

 

Um, Atheists did not murder those 42,000 men, women and children in a single day, that was x-tians, and those x-tians did it on the order of another x-tian, namely one of the Poops.

And, before the army commander set about slaughtering those people, he asked another x-tian what should be done about the innocent people inside this walled city, and that x-tian famously said, "Kill them all. God will know his own."

That's not what Atheism is, but it is what x-tians do every day.

Then we must consider you to be completely and totally irrational.

 

This couple are devout to their religious beliefs.



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I'm hoping some of the anti-abortionists jump onboard here and explain why it's okay to force women to bring children into the world they can't' provide for. Certainly this 55 year old guy (the "consumer" in this scenario) isn't looking to play with dolls and have tea parties with a 9 year old girl and her parents knew that when selling her.

All the "broken" people you meet in your journey of life...this will be one more added to the stockpile assuming she survives to adulthood.

 

Zionists Jews never attacked Germany. They actually worked together to get Jews out of Germany and into Palestine.

Your obsessive hatred of the Jews, is sickening.

 

Sure they did, dont you read any history books?
They even declared war on germany.