Things which could exist in a world without atheism

OK.
I don't really care what you believe.
What you lack is the precision of thinking that separates madness from some form of moral compass.
I can think of many "moral" self proclaimed Christians who were mad as they come. So I can blame Christianity for mass murders.
Kings, queens, popes, Islamic fanatics, all people of faith.
All mass murderers.
Certainly not atheists.
So I can conclude that religious people are murderers. In the same way you use atheism to be the source of murder.
Your argument does not hold.

 

One has to merely look at the wars during the Reformation. Catholic against Protestant with Catholic Spain imposing its dogma through violence in order to prevent the spread of Protestantism. They slaughtered heretics en masse after invading the Netherlands.

 

Precisely.
And if you want to feel safer, invest in the police and your own security devices and get rid of guns.
Freedom of speech and religion have nothing to do with this.
Your "world going to hell in a handcart and its all the fault of atheists" is so much nonsense that no one else dares to make such comments for fear of being seen as a fool.

 

Ditto in 16th century Britain, India in the 19th century, now in Ireland. The crusades. World War 2. Religious wars have been the source of more deaths and destruction than anything else.

 

atheism is faith based therefore its a religion.
Yeh Im sure you can find examples of any faith to add to that list through out history, the thing is though is their morals and religion is in writing, and rogue elements cant change the core character of the religion, whereas atheism has no acclaimed core character therefore we have no reason to believe atheism is not the cause.

 

They did but the religion condemns it in writing, atheism is hey jack any which way but loose.

 

Second laugh of the day.

 

well world war 2 was zionist jews (atheists) who orchestrated the war.
well atheism is a religion so Id have to agree.

 

aw kool, so then you will be the first to prove God does not exist, is a fact not 'faith'?
Hmm thats what a Pulitzer?

theres gotta be a big one in it for ya!

 

Yes, and many try to oversimplify these wars by claiming that they were fought for wealth and property. The Crusades are a perfect example, for the Pope of Rome petitioned all those in Christendom to aid the emperor Alexios I in the East (The Later Roman Empire or more colloquially, the Byzantine Empire) which was under threat from what they perceived as the heathen Muslim, who launched incursions into Anatolia. Many devout Christians took up the sword in order to aid their foreign brethren, and many did it simply to get rich ~ all while professing their piety. One cannot state one motive was empirical, for that is a false generalisation and intellectually dishonest, however, it appears intellectual honesty doesn't matter when promoting extremist views.

 

sure however you first have to demonstrate the motive, and getting rich didnt just happen to be an unintended accessory.

 

You need to learn the meaning of zionism. They are devout Jews.

 

Atheism is the rejection of GOD not morals.
K needs to understand the meaning of his references.
He posits "facts:" that are fully incorrect.

 

We don't need to..

"They are in a position analogous to that of secularists who urge that research concerning the Nature, or the Will, of God does not get us anywhere. Such secularists are not saying that God does not exist, exactly; they feel unclear about what it would mean to affirm His existence, and thus about the point of denying it. Nor do they have some special, funny, heretical view about God. They just doubt that the vocabulary of theology is one we ought to be using."

https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/rorty.htm

 

yes the rejection of God, I agree.
BUT atheism has no writting morals, therefore cannot prove atheists have any moral resolve to fall back on, whereas other religions do,

 

maybe you want to rephrase your initial comment.
None of that changes the fact that atheism is in fact faith based

 

Only in your mind.

 

I have news for you, 'everything' is in your mind lol

 

Like philosophy.

Which you don't know how to do.

Neither do I.

I used to be able to do it, but that was a long time ago.

 

Sigh.
If you want to get into the divisions in Judaism between liberal, orthodox and zionist jews, go ahead.
Your photo has nothing to do with where zionist are on the Judaism spectrum and serve only to demonstrate that you havent a clue what you are talking about.
Zionists are devout nationalistic Jews.
Look it up.

 

They have no written morals BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A RELIGION.

Look. If you are going to start complicated abstract threads at least know what you are talking about and what definitions apply.
I'm done with you. You fall over at the earliest moment. I cant discuss such things with someone who can't think past his faux proposition and make simple mental connections.
I'm out.

 

Why do we need a written moral code? To live a good and honourable life is not all that complicated and if one treats others with respect and as one would like to be treated, then all is well.

Yes, the endless employment of the semantic fallacy is really quite tedious and I've only been back here for a few hours.

It's for the best.

 

If you used "devout" in the sense of "deeply religious", then not all Zionists are devout, neither can all Zionists be branded "nationalistic". There are secular Zionists and religious Zionists, right wing Zionists and left wing Zionists, non-Jewish Zionists (other than the American Evangelicals, of course). There are atheist Zionists, like myself.

The ultra-orthodox Neturei Karta (in Koko's post) are not Zionists because they believe that Messiah will not come as long as the Jewish country exists.

You're right though that Koko doesn't have a clue.

 

Thanks. I have learned something.
Let's hope K has.