Things which could exist in a world without atheism

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    No, they didn't. A random opinion article used hyperbole and you've been appealing to it ever since, ascribing it to the entirety of the Jewish population. No, Jews never attacked Germany. They were the victims of the Nazis.
     
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    Blues63 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Atheism is not to be conflated with immoral behaviour. That is an irrational position, for many atheists have a high moral code.

    Biased nonsense. Religion gave one power over another owing to a sense of superiority.

    History demonstrates otherwise.

    I think you're serious.
     
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  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    false the germans were victims of the jews. dont you ever crack a history book?
    Sure they did. They destroyed the german economy and genocidially were nearly successful at starving out the whole german nation. crack a history book man.
    they have their world leader that speaks for them just like we have a president that speaks for us. sheees.....
    yes they did.
    read my footer, I can cite at least 5 other articles from jewish newpapers stating the same thing, hell look at my footer FFS
    Its not to be equated with moral behavior either.
    They have no morals, if they do cite their bible (or whatever) please.
    When they commit it to writing then you have point.
    You can choose your religion, the superiority you imagine is abstract, ie not pysical. So which one has the power over whom?
     
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  4. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    So you are blaming all those ills on atheism?
    Hardly. A large majority of wars and deaths in history are due to religion. Religion has caused civil wars, the splitting up of countries, (india/Pakistan and Ireland). It has been the source of rape, assassination, pillage, destruction of cities and towns, and executions.
    Atheism can be blamed for none of that. Or any other kind of violence.
     
  5. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    Enough anti semitic tropes.
    You'll be ending your posts with "heil Hitler" next.
    It is disgraceful that you post such huge lies.
     
  6. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    what about stalin mao polpot they dont count?
     
  7. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Feel free to take every opportunity to 'prove' those claims. :)
     
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  8. Pixie

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    Of course atheists have morals.
    Morals are not the sole preserve of the religious. They are woven deeply into civil and criminal law.
    Morals existed well before the Abrahamic faiths took hold. They exist all over the world.
     
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  9. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    prior to civil and criminal they were called religious laws :)
    I havent seen any atheist writings stating they have any morals at all.
    How do you intend to prove up the point?
     
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    They had nothing to do with any beliefs. I would wager that none of them ever gave a thought as to where they stood on the "faith" axis.
    You can't blame atheism for their madness.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    they were atheists
    everyone makes decisions based upon their religious beliefs
     
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  12. Pixie

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    I don't intend to prove it.
    I also don't see a large number if westerners who behave immorally, being atheists. You prove they are.
     
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    Oh, so you havent noticed that literally everything today is a pack of lies
    pretty tough to establish a point if you cant prove it or at least give it strong justification.
     
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  14. Pixie

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    No they weren't. I just said they likely never gave the faith question a thought.
    Atheosm is a deliberate choice, not merely a description of the faithless.
    I really wish you would understand your terms before you launch another one of your abstract propositions.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Thats not what the blues guy just said.
    I agree its a decision.
    Stalin is the best example and he most certainly did give faith a thought since he imposed atheism and murdered millions in his purges to enforce it.
     
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    That is not proof of anything.
    Your post is a poor attempt at your opinion of "nearly everything ". One cannot discuss anything on the basis of such enormous generalities.
     
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    Of course atheists have morals. Only religious extremists would claim otherwise, for it is a false generalisation intended to flame and nothing more. I try to ignore such petty minded nonsense.
     
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    Atheism has no control over madness.
    They are not equateable.
     
  19. Kokomojojo

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    Oh it most certainly is, social moral decay, compare morals of 100 years ago to those today.
    When I was 16 I never had to lock my car, or the house doors, today I had to install alarms
     
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    Some of that is the direct result of religion.
    Islamic terrorism.
    Irish sectarianism.
    History is littered with such conflicts though now fewer people are religious, they occur less often.
     
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    I have seen nothing in writing to prove it so I lack belief that atheists have any morals. Stalin proved it.
     
  22. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    no other religion that I am aware of massacred 50million plus to enforce their religion compared to atheism
     
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    This is more to do with government decisions as to where to invest funds, not atheism.
    And of course your deadly self generating gun laws.
    Atheists, having morals, do not support crime.
    Those who reject moral direction do.
    Since atheists have moral direction, your equivalency fails.
     
  24. Kokomojojo

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    Ah moral direction, sounds a lot like religion doesnt it? :)
     
  25. Kokomojojo

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    Not sure how gov investments come in to this, or what you mean by self generating gun laws. Its unconstitutional to have any laws regulating guns, speech, religion and the exercise thereof..
     

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