Three problems with George Zimmerman’s self-defense claims

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...n-s-self-defense-claims-6.html#post1061083772

Go back to my post above and look at the aerial view. Unless Zimmerman was driving on the grass, it couldn't have happened that way.

 

Its called criminal intent. One gang member confronts another gang member it is reasonable that there was intent to escalate the situation to violence.

 

I have to agree.

Unless he can prove that he was not aggressively accosting Martin (indeed, harassing him) Zimmerman will have a difficult time employing Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law as an effective defense.

It will be too easy for the prosecution to argue that such a defense would amount to allowing any bully with a handgun to pick a fight with anyone he pleases, before shooting the person to death as soon as he or she throws their first punch.

This is clearly NOT the intention of the "Stand Your Ground" law, nor even within its boundaries as written.

 

Are you serious. You are talking about a teenager fighting a grown man. Just by the dumbass reponses we keep getting on this height it is obvious many of you so-called men have never been in a fight in your life.

 

I am truly amazed. This is the first time you and I have ever agreed on anything.

 

Mother of 14 year old witness just told MSNBC that th Lead Investgator said this case was NOT Selfdefence hours after th soothing in her living room while deposing her son.


Ooooooopppppssssss!

So how many people are lying?

 

1. Zimmerman was violating the Neighborhood Watch rules which preclude carrying a firearm, and preclude following someone.

2. Zimmerman, by answering "Okay" when told by police dispatcher "We do not need you to do that", and then proceeding on to follow Martin, has:

a. lied to law enforcement
b. disobeyed a lawful order from law enforcement

3. Mr Zimmerman, the instigator, was de facto "disturbing the peace" as evidenced by so many neighbors calling 911. One witness was terrified as she saw Zimmerman standing over Martins dead body.

Martin could have also been charged with disturbing the peace, but he is dead now, after responding to Mr.Zimmermans aggressive stalking, with open hand combat, presumably also in self defence of himself.

The whole mountain of flame could have been avoided if the Sanford police had detained Mr. Zimmerman, in protective custody, and confiscated his firearm as evidence. A judge should have determined if Mr.Z needed be kept in jail, or could be given bail., pending a Grand Jury investigation.

By acting negligently, and with obvious bias against the victim of the shooting, failing to administer a drug test to Mr.Zimmerman also, and not confiscating his weapon as evidence, and not detaining Mr.Z, thus allowing another potential shooting in the near future, the Sanford Police have utterly failed in their duty to protect the public.

 

I doubt that.

Anyway, I calls'em like I sees'em.


Here's a better map:

If this map is accurate, it does not appear to
support Zimmerman's version of events.

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Zimmerman is without excuse, and his defense is lame. He should spend the rest of his life in jail. There maybe a "don't back down law" in Florida, but that does not mean that there should be no accountability and rules of engagement and the vigorous attention to deadly force criteria. Zimmerman is without excuse!

 

Practically everyone.

 

Neighborhood watch not security guard quit lying and he should of stayed in car

 

That murderous Obama voting loser was no more a security gaurd than the Keystone Cops.

 

So is this like the short skirt/rape issue? Did he deserve to get his nose broke and skull bashed in for being suspicious of someone who fit the description of a suspect of some burglary's in the neighborhood? ?

 

That is for the police to decide, not a vigilante gun toteing mouth breathing Obama voter with a cop fantasy. I hope he sees that young man's face everynight in his restless nightmares until the day he dies.

 

Source?

Lying to a 911 operator is not a crime. Nor is a 911 operator's suggestion "a lawful order."

That's just silly.

Presumably?

Whether it would have avoided anything is debatable, but the Sanford police did not exactly cover themselves in glory on this one.

However that's going a bit overboard.

 

Haven't saw hospital xray to confirm broken nose but I do know if he stayed in the car we wouldn't be having this debate. The good rev sharpton wouldn't of come to town no hoodie protest and the best part trayvon would still be alive. If your hero couldn't throw hands with a. 140# teenager he really should of stayed in the car.

 

Well, he had went back to his car and then TM probably got all amped up and confronted him for dare bothering to notice he looked like the suspect responsible for some break in's in the area. If he was a good kid he would have not felt the need to break someones nose.

 

Yeah, that could be a decisive map. If it stands up, it seems clear that Zimmerman went out of his way to initiate a confrontation.

I think it's also worth noting that Zimmerman has changed his story several times. That won't help him at trial, either, unless he can show they are merely minor differences caused by the normal failings of human memory.

 

Probably? Something you've pulled completely out of your butt is a "probably"?

 

Wild assed speculation. And, if someone is in your face, would you defend yourself? Yes you would. Get real.

 

Ok, so what made TM go back? Did Zimmerman drop something and TM was just being a good Samaritan by bringing it back and this made the racist Zimmerman crazy?

 

Tryvon went back, he was shot on his path home, He is not the instigator, Zimmerman was. The kid was shot at the point at which Zimmerman intercepted him. What possible reson would Treyvon have to go back for?

 

However Z was neighborhood watch and TM matched the description of someone who was suspected of break in's. I have said this a million times today but if any of that jewelry that TM was caught with comes back to any invasions in that complex, what is Z guilty of? Doing his job by being alert?

 

I would wager good money were I a gambling man that I'm been in more fights than you or most people here.