Dismiss Notice
Thanks for being a member of our community. Please donate toward site expenses if you can.

Three problems with George Zimmerman’s self-defense claims

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by superbadbrutha, Mar 28, 2012.

Page 5 of 6
  1. Windigo

    Windigo Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2008
    Messages:
    15,026
    Likes Received:
    1,139
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually it seems to me that he did in fact lose him and only ran into him by chance.
     
    Windigo, Mar 28, 2012
    #101
  2. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Only true if by "matched the description" you mean "black."

    If I kill a guy in cold blood, and it later turns out that he was a murderer, does it make my murder okay?
     
    raytri, Mar 28, 2012
    #102
  3. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It certainly *doesn't* look like what Zimmerman claims: that he "lost him" and then was attacked while he was headed back to his vehicle.

    Martin died right along the path from the store to his house.

    It also seems clear that Zimmerman was very actively searching for him, to have covered that much ground between his 911 call and the shooting.
     
    raytri, Mar 28, 2012
    #103
  4. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    IF a person in question is black, are we not supposed to include that in his/her description?
     
    Grokmaster, Mar 28, 2012
    #104
    RosePop and (deleted member) like this.
  5. Never Left

    Never Left Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    30,220
    Likes Received:
    410
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Is Zimmerman a cop? No. Is he authorized to confront someone who is not even a suspect in an actual case with deadly force? No. Zimmerman was the escalator in this situation, he should have observed Treyvon's trajectory and left the confronting to the police. He murdered an innocent boy who was returning from the store. Zimmerman has a police fantasy, not a police badge.
     
    Never Left, Mar 28, 2012
    #105
  6. RosePop

    RosePop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,635
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Two different things. If this kid was committing burglary's in the area where Zimmerman killed him, then the St Trayvon angle thats spun via misleading pictures is a national travesty.
     
    RosePop, Mar 28, 2012
    #106
  7. RosePop

    RosePop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,635
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    And your police fantasy theory stems from what? Was he kicked out of the Police Academy or something?
     
    RosePop, Mar 28, 2012
    #107
  8. Never Left

    Never Left Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    30,220
    Likes Received:
    410
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The travesty is that this Obama voter may get away with murder.
     
    Never Left, Mar 28, 2012
    #108
    Thunderlips and (deleted member) like this.
  9. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Sure. But it isn't a meaningful description in and of itself.

    It's like releasing a description of the suspect as "human male." Awesome. How does that help us narrow down the possibilities in a meaningful way? Shall we now suspect 50% of the population? Should I call 911 every time I see an unfamiliar male?
     
    raytri, Mar 28, 2012
    #109
  10. Never Left

    Never Left Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    30,220
    Likes Received:
    410
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Why else would a person arm himself and seek out "suspects" except that he has a police fantasy. He is a loser, a murderous loser, who killed in cold blood without justification and disobeyed a dirctive order from a 911 dispatcher.
     
    Never Left, Mar 28, 2012
    #110
  11. RosePop

    RosePop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,635
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    So every neighborhood that has a community watch the leader has a police fantasy?
     
    RosePop, Mar 28, 2012
    #111
  12. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That doesn't make any sense. If Martin's not a saint, it excuses Zimmerman killing him?

    Martin could turn out to be a thug-life drug dealer, and it still wouldn't be okay for Zimmerman to just kill him.

    Hence the question in my post. If I murder a guy who later turns out to have been a murderer, does it make my murder okay?

    You seem to be saying that the answer is "yes".
     
    raytri, Mar 28, 2012
    #112
  13. johnsmite

    johnsmite New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2012
    Messages:
    543
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Wasn't he suspended from a school some 200 miles from the complex?
     
    johnsmite, Mar 28, 2012
    #113
  14. RosePop

    RosePop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,635
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    If TM attacked Zimmerman, he got what he deserved.
     
    RosePop, Mar 28, 2012
    #114
  15. Never Left

    Never Left Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    30,220
    Likes Received:
    410
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Deflecting from the point, Zimmerman is a murderous loser and killed a young man in cold blood for no reason whatsoever, except that he was seeking justice for some crime that he is wholly unqualified to assess that Yreyvon was indded the person of interest in this case, he made a wild assed assumption and Treyvon payed with his life for Zimmerman's police fantasy.
     
    Never Left, Mar 28, 2012
    #115
  16. JohnnyMo

    JohnnyMo Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    14,715
    Likes Received:
    262
    Trophy Points:
    83
    "This kid" lived near Miami and Zimmerman nor anyone reported ANY recent burglaries.

    Based on the hateful garbage you keep spewing, it's seems clear that you don't not have children. If you do, you should be ashamed of your bad self
     
    JohnnyMo, Mar 28, 2012
    #116
  17. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    *If* TM attacked Zimmerman, that *might* provide some reason not to throw Zimmerman's ass in jail for murder.

    Doesn't change the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't initiated the confrontation, nobody would have died.
     
    raytri, Mar 28, 2012
    #117
  18. RosePop

    RosePop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,635
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Doesn't matter. He matched a description of someone who was causing issues in the community. I am sorry some of you don't understand what Neighborhood watch is.
     
    RosePop, Mar 28, 2012
    #118
  19. Never Left

    Never Left Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    Messages:
    30,220
    Likes Received:
    410
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It is an neighborhood organization that observes the community, and if they see anything suspicious, they are to call the police and let them investigate, not take on the role of arresting officer, judge, jury, and executioner.
     
    Never Left, Mar 28, 2012
    #119
  20. JohnnyMo

    JohnnyMo Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    14,715
    Likes Received:
    262
    Trophy Points:
    83
    How does it not matter????

    In the dark, the 200 pound, armed with a handgun, plain clothed, plain SUV'd, Zimmerman followed the 6"2" approx 150 teen, confronted him, shot and killed him.

    Zimmerman's innocence or guilt must be determined by a trier of fact, and not bigots.
     
    JohnnyMo, Mar 28, 2012
    #120
  21. ZX10kawi

    ZX10kawi New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2010
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You have no idea who confronted who. Zimmerman claims Martin confronted him as he was walking back to his suv, I have not read anything yet that conflicts with that.
     
    ZX10kawi, Mar 28, 2012
    #121
    RosePop and (deleted member) like this.
  22. RosePop

    RosePop Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    7,635
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Or his instincts were right, lets take it to trial!
     
    RosePop, Mar 28, 2012
    #122
  23. Gwendoline

    Gwendoline Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2008
    Messages:
    2,938
    Likes Received:
    156
    Trophy Points:
    63
    George Zimmerman on Police Surveillance Tapes show neighborhood watchman on night of Trayvon Martin killing.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

    ^^ Would someone kindly point out Zimmerman's injuries to me, in the above video? I SEE NO INJURIES. NOT ONE.




    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-m...ance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897
     
    Gwendoline, Mar 28, 2012
    #123
    ASeriousMan and (deleted member) like this.
  24. ASeriousMan

    ASeriousMan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2011
    Messages:
    395
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    0
    WOW so much for all those people claiming his (*)(*)(*)(*)ing head was bashed on the sidewalk, looks pretty fine to me.
     
    ASeriousMan, Mar 28, 2012
    #124
  25. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2012
    Messages:
    7,134
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Sad fact is the person that killed him was told by the 911 operator to NOT follow the young mor or do anything so even if he was attacked if the young man felt threatened he could defend himself under the Stand Your Ground law.

    And the young man was not armed or posed a threat at the time of the call.

    And a neighborhood watch person is to call 911 and let the police do the work not walk around armed and look for a reason to use the weapon.
     
    tkolter, Mar 28, 2012
    #125
Page 5 of 6

Share This Page