Time to look at Bible in a modern way--Bible mentions aliens all along

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  1. DarkDaimon

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    Do yourself a favor and read some history books. It does not take advanced technology to create a pyramid. Just a lot of hard work from a lot of people and a little ingenuity and really, pyramids are not that hard to make. Here's a neat little article on building pyramids. I especially like the part about the archeologist using 20 guys and ropes to lift a two and a half ton block. See, no tractor beams needed.

    As far as a connection between angels and aliens,the only connection they have is they are both examples of wishful thinking.
     
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    "Claims"?


    The video didn't make any claims. Instead it make you think so. The words if, maybe, perhaps and variations thereof were repeated over 20 times in the first 2 minutes.

    That ain't science and it sure as (*)(*)(*)(*) ain't theology....which only leaves? Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  3. lynx

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    That's what I am afraid of, not present moment, but in the near future. Right now, I doubt the governments know what they are dealing with. The demons are very good at deceiving since the beginning. In the ancient time, they came down with flying ability and perform all sort of "miracle "stuffs, make the ancient people worship them. The ancient aliens also had a role in their governments and help build their huge structures, advanced their civilizations

    I think, in modern time, things will happen again, they come back and once again deceive a lot of people, even our governments, or the elites. They would come and disguise themselves as friendly, like giving us advanced technologies, gain our government's trust, then, slowly to control it.

    Right now, I have no doubt, the governments already have contacted with them.
    I just wonder which stage of contact they are in, are they already working together?
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    The only aliens that exist are the ones that cross a Country's border with or without a passport.
     
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    Your post is wrong because there are not any mentions of aliens in the Holy Bible.
     
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    Perhaps the governments are in league witht the Aliens ?
     
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    I have a passport, and I've been through the"Alien" channel at Houston amongst other airports... :shock:
     
  8. lynx

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    Do you really believe we are the only one alone in this universe?
     
  9. lynx

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    Alien is just a word we describe the being is not from this earth as angel or fallen angel or demon is a word that people in the bible describe the being was not from here.

    I think they are the same thing.
     
  10. lynx

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    I think the governments do. But they just don't realize what they are.

    I think there are different kinds of aliens, there are good and bad.

    Just not sure which kind that the governmemts dealing with right now.
     
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    Yes, the Bible tells us that man is the only intelligent life other than angels that God made.
     
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    Really ? Interesting .. where does it say that ?
     
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    The Old Testament is a handbook for people of the Jewish persuasion.:pretzel:
     
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    God made angels, and God made aliens, they are the same thing.


    Some of the angels have fallen and come down to earth. In fact, the first angel came down to earth was a fallen angel---the devil--who deceived Eve.

    Let's look at the book of Genesis, it mentioned the "sons" of God saw the beauty of men's daughters, they came down and married them.

    What is the "sons"? How did they come down?

    I believe the sons were refer to the fallen angels, which I believe it is the aliens that we understand today.
    They could come down with spaceship, if look at the ancient arts, like the Indians, Mayans....they all describes at one point in their history, there were "gods" flying down to their place and live with them.

    It matches between the anicent tale and the Bible stories.
     
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    Friend, you have no idea what you are saying. Angels or demons are spirit.....meaning that they do not have a body. They don't need vehicles like a space ship to go from one place to another....they are spirit.


    Hebrews 1:14 (KJV)
    14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

    Spirits
    Greek Strong's Number: 4151
    Greek Word: πνεῦμα
    Transliteration: pneuma
    Phonetic Pronunciation: pnyoo'-mah
    Root: from <G4154>
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:332,876
    Part of Speech: n n
    Vine's Words: Breath, Breathe, Spirit, Wind


    from <G4154> (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit :- ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare <G5590> (psuche).

    &#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary


    Spirit
    Usage Number: 1
    Strong's Number: <G4151>
    Original Word: &#960;&#957;&#949;&#8166;&#956;&#945;, pneuma
    Usage Notes: primarily denotes "the wind" (akin to pne&#333;, "to breathe, blow"); also "breath;" then, especially "the spirit," which, like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful. The NT uses of the word may be analyzed approximately as follows:
    Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.



    Angels are so unlike human beings that the only thing that could be used in our physical world to describe what an angle is like is the wind, air or breathe. It&#8217;s not saying angels are any of those things but that they are like, the air or the wind. So angels do not have a shape or form that we could relate to or identify with a physical being.

    They have no sex organs because as Jesus said, they do not marry nor are they given in marriage.


    Mark 12:24-25 (AMP)
    24 Jesus said to them, Is not this where you wander out of the way and go wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?
    25 For when they arise from among the dead, [men] do not marry nor are [women] given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven.

    It makes no sense what you are saying, because what you are saying is that there are male and female spirits and the scriptures says no such thing. Do you believe that there are male and female spirits? Why would God create beings with the ability to reproduce but not allow them to marry? And even if it were possible for spirit to have an offspring via a human female it would also be a violation of God&#8217;s will when He gave man dominion over the Earth. It would mean that spirits are now sharing what God has given to man.....dominion over the Earth.

    The sons of God that is mentioned are talking about wicked men that gave themselves that name, the same way certain religion or religious people believe that wearing white makes them righteous or pure. They thought that by calling themselves the sons of God that that in and of itself would bring them(man) back into a right relationship with God.


    Notice if you read the chapter that you are hinting about, it says the wickedness of man was great.....it does not say the wickedness of spirits was great. It was not fallen angels that God was grieved with.....it was man. It was not because they chose wives that they wanted why God was grieved with them, but that their wickedness was great......there every thought was constantly on doing evil.
     
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    Do you have any pictures? :)
     
  18. lynx

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    I think spirits or angels have the ability to change any forms they want, even physical form. They can walk, talk, eat, sleep, even touch human. Let's look at some example in the Bible.

    The story of Lot's wife:

    ""The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."

    "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."

    "But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom - both young and old - surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

    "Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

    "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door."

    "But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door."

    "The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here - sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to The Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."

    "So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters. He said, "Hurry and get out of this place, because The Lord is about to destroy the city!" But his sons-in-law thought he was joking."

    "With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."

    "When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for The Lord was merciful to them. As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, "Flee for your lives! Don't look back, and don't stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!"

    "But Lot said to them, "No, my lords, please! Your servant has found favor in your eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I'll die. Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it - it is very small, isn't it? Then my life will be spared."

    "He said to him, "Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it." (That is why the town was called Zoar.)"

    "By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. Then The Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah - from The Lord [see Rock Of Ages] out of the heavens [see The Destruction Of Sodom]. Thus He overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities - and also the vegetation in the land. But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt." (Genesis 19:1-26)



    The spirits have no male or famale, but when they change their form into physical, they may choose one as they want. In the story of the sons of God came down the earth, they choose to mate with the woman, I presume the fallen angels choose the form of man when change their form into physical.

    The angels are not supposed to mix with human, that's the behavior defy God. That's why they are fallen angels.


    I think the word "men" used in Bible also describe the spirits or angels.

    Let's look at the scriptures again:

    "When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city...."

    You see. What "the men" are in this scripture? The angels.

    God was grieved with the wicked earth men as well as the fallen angels and their offsprings.

    The spirits are not only like wind or air, they can have physical forms too, just like the aliens.
     
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    So if we ever run into beings claiming to be life from another world to the general public how is the

    No other natural life then earth life crowd going to test to see if thy themselves are wrong or if the alleged aliens are lying?
     
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    Chuck Missler makes much better arguments.
     
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    But that does not mean they have a body or can reproduce. And it does not mean that what we would see is actually the angel.....they can make you see something that they are not.....or simple manipulate the physical material and make it appear as if the physical form is human. But the most important point is that Jesus said they do not marry nor given are in marriage. So it does not matter what you might believe it says in Genesis.


    Just to play along with your line of reasoning here,where in the Bible does it say that God told the angles not to mix with human being?

    I tell you, you have been watching too many movies about aliens. Jesus warned about what we listen/give audience to, because it will have an effect what you believe and you will become more and more convinced about what you believe, even if it&#8217;s false.

    Mark 4:24 (BBE)
    24 And he said to them, Take care what you give ear to: in the same measure as you give you will get, and more will be given to you.


    The problem with that is the word men that was used for the angles was linited to them. But when the word man was used in Genesis 6:5 it was talking about every human being, execpting Noah and his family. Why else would God destroy all the human population? God could have simply delth with the ones that were maried to demons.



    The problem in believing what you and others like yourself believe is that people can be falsely accused of either being alien or fallen angels&#8230;..there are people who believe that people from another plant or aliens are living among us masquerading as human beings&#8230;.the movie entitled &#8220;They Live&#8221; comes to mind. And when you have more and more people that believe this then it becomes justified in doing anything to those they lable as not really human.....similar to how African Americans were not regarded as full human being, so treating them the way they are treated was not considered wrong.
     
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    When you say this do you mean, the only intelligent life on earth or in the universe ?

    And where does it say this ?
     
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    But in the story of Noah, the sons of God came down and took the daughters of men as wives, they reproduced the giant, the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. If the spirits can't form a body, I don't know how they can reproduced their offsprings.

    I think there are different kinds of spirits or angels or aliens. May be there are some spirits can't form body, like the ghosts we understand and as you talk about above.

    Yes, Jesus said the angels do not marry and they don't have sex origin. But we are talking about fallen angels here. They grew twisted desire they shouldn't have. The desire I talk about is neither love or lust. It's just their ambition to create their own kingdom on earth, try to create their offsprings, make human worship them like gods.

    We are flesh, the spirit of God shall not strive with man.
    I guess that means angels shall not mix with human being. We are different. God has his different plans for angels and human, one for spirit, one for flesh.

    Plus, you said it yourselve, Jesus said the angels do not marry. I would think angels have their own way to create more angels.

    Anything that is not in God's plan, that's defying God and it will not produce good results.

    Just look at the offspings that fallen angels and earth women reproduced, the giants were violence and evil, eveutally God has to destroy them.


    Thank you for your concern, bother.

    It is not movie that got me to believe alien exist. It is something more of happened in real life.


    I think the situation of married to demons was prevailed the entire earth. All of them were bad, except Noah and his families. If we take a look at all the ancient civilizations in different part of the world and their myths, their structures, their arts, we would've found similarities. I do agree with you that the word man used in Genesis 6:5 was talking human being.






    I don't follow. Alien or fallen angels are the same thing, they are spirit but have the ability to change to physical form. Human are flesh, don't have any abilities to change their original form. We can't mistaken one and another.
     
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    um excuse me but how are you going to test to see if e.t is fle.... just made out of naturel substances or wearing a body like a suit?

    Your religion can’t prove there nature on its own
     
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    Unless the government open the alien files, espectially the Roswell file, which the rumour said that the military retrieved three alien dead bodies, one alive, we don't get the proof. All we can do are search clues in any leaks, reports, or the experiences from abductees whose bodies has been inserted alien devices removed by doctors. Or we can also look at clues from archaeology, mythology, theology.

    I am too tire right now, I will answer you later with more research.

    You can also watch the video I provided in OP.
     

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