Tit-for-tat: World responds to Trump's tariffs with levies on US goods

Huh. Guess this thread has come to an end.

 

So, like a tax?

The rest of the paragraph:

On the other hand, the ITC admitted that the authors of the CITAC study had controlled for changes in overall manufacturing employment, and also admitted that the CITAC study's estimate of job loss in the steel-consuming sector was only half that reported by steel-consuming firms themselves in answers to questionnaires sent by the ITC, and only one-fifth that reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics for the sector during the same period.
https://taxfoundation.org/lessons-2002-bush-steel-tariffs/

The only business that I can think of that sometimes makes more money by raising prices is women's cosmetics.

Sure. The tariffs are only on raw steel not processed steel. So when faced with a 25 to 40% increase they can often have them processed for "free" (think stampings) in say Mexico.

He often makes threats. But what did he do after Pence gave 7 million of his states money to Carrier and they moved anyway? Had to be pretty embarrassing.

There are many regulations associated with textiles. They can be very costly.
https://www.epa.gov/regulatory-information-sector/textile-manufacturing-sector-naics-313

We know that Chinese factories are some of the most unregulated out there. Obviously cheap labor helps too.

 

Don't forget Harbor Freight Tools.

 

Nobody. Nobody ever wins trade wars and nobody ever will. They cause worldwide depressions, result in real wars or both. Tariff are bollocks, they're nothing but ways the government favors one or another of their countrie's own industries at the expense of ALL the others and the general public besides, but that, of course, is Trump's whole function, to **** us all to benefit him and his cronies.

The ONLY legitimate use of tariffs is to TEMPORARILY encourage a new sector of industries which a nation is trying to bring online and ONLY if that sector has indigenous resources and/or strategic advantage. It is most definitely NOT to help older industries which have failed to keep up with the rest of the world. That is done by re-training and new investment NOT by taking dead aim and shooting ourselves.

 

Yeh. Its been up and down lately.

So when countries like Canada charge 220 somethings percent on our milk at the border, we should pretend it doesn't happen? Canada and other countries has been charging us tariffs for a long time; virtual or otherwise.

Its only right that we fight back.

 

You could probably get Canada to drop it's quota system if we would agree to drop our $22 billion in milk subsidies.
But the Canadians would point out they buy twice as much milk from us as we buy from them.

 

The other countries are just hurting their own consumers by making American goods more expensive.

 

Why do you make up such stupid crap?

 

Followers of Trump are in the Jim Jones' mold. I would be scared, but the followers are too ****ing stupid to take this too far. Interesting times, though.

 

Because he/she is being paid for spreading disinformation.

 

How does making all of us pay more for Canadian goods by placing taxes on the people who sell them here fight back against high Canadian tariffs on milk?

You do understand that tariffs are taxes on US, not on foreigners, yes?

 

Canada is taking care of their milk industry. Trump is an idiot.

LOOK at the market.

 

That goes both ways. Think about that for a moment. Raw materials. Steel. Aluminum. Think about it and get back to me about how this is benefiting America.

 

I am glad somebody understands.

Stock tip.....watch Tesla slip down to low 300's and snatch it up. I had a chance to get it at 250......kicking myself…..

 

True enough.
It's like Canada's milk. They use supply management. Every farmer gets a quota he can produce. This guarantees him a profit if he's a good farmer. But it makes milk more expensive.
It's been their system for a long time and isn't all that popular in Canada as I understand it.
The US on the other hand gives the farmer $.73 on every dollars worth of milk produce in subsidies.
So we produce it till the cows come home even if we just take the cream and dump the rest.
I think NAFTA was working on a solution for this but somebody threw a grenade into the room.

 

I make up nothing

Why do so many liberals hate America and want to flood it with illegal aliens?

 

Let me put it this way ...
In itself, NATO remained a good institution despite the end of the Cold War, and as such, nothing stands in the way of dissolving NATO.
This close cooperation of the members in the military ... apart from the alliance factor, which is an issue in itself ... brings benefits to all sides and allows only quick and joint reactions.
Sure, in principle, the United States are largely alone in the position to respond, because you do not have by far the highest defense budget and hundreds of military bases worldwide, 10 or 11 active aircraft carriers etc. But especially Afghanistan and especially the Iraq war has shown that you in the end rely on help from allies since your limits were reached.

Above all, the problem with NATO is that member states are abusing NATO for their own interests. The US is doing that, not even contested by the US, but it's not just the US. If we look at the new sultanate of Turkey, then the bastard Erdogan has set the current top abuse!

 

Not really ... what is more fearing is the fact that Mercedes and BMW are also victim to the trade war between China and the US.
Again ... every fu**ing single SUV from BMW is build in the US plant of BMW by US workers ... and so they get the same counter punishment from China as every car from General Motors & Co too!

The automotive industry is my country of course very powerful and has influence ... but it is not a national issue here, it is an EU issue here!
And that they will be driven out of the US market is nonsense ... again: Most cars of Mercedes and BMW sold in the USA are build in the US in their local plants! And punishment measures on these "Made in the USA" cars of them are by any US law not possible!

 

NATO was created to meet a threat from the soviet union that no longer exists

So the euros no longer need.America

Europe has drifted so far left they see America as their primary enemy today

 

I think the euros are traumatized more by the illusion of man-made global warming

When trump rejected their beloved Paris climate treaty they became more and more ready for a total break in relations with Ametica

 

Well, conversely, the US has landed so far to the right that it's already becoming "Nazi Brown" and people are seriously wondering when the KKK will hold a big parade back in Washington.

But you are right on one point: Do Europeans still need the USA ... especially if the US has not been caring for NATO for well over 15 years anyway, neither with armed forces nor with money?
I think at the end of all discussion is a no!

 

Well ... that the Americans ... at least many of them ... are too stupid to accept and understand the facts of climate change as a man-made work, is well known. That was already before Trump given and when a former Russian minister once asked publicly on the subject, what was so bad about it, because that would allow you to grow crops in Siberia in the future ... and the Americans nodded their agreement.

But it's true ... even back in the days when Trump threw the Paris Agreement in the dust, one would have to go straight to the highest defense mode in Europe against the unjustified, unfounded, lies-based and ultimately outrageous attacks of the idiot in the White House. and directly by any means the a ** hole have to show where the borders of his America First are ... namely at the outer border of the USA!

 

Perhaps Trump should have tried to renegotiate the trade deals before resorting to tariffs. China needs us more than we need them as far as goods sold.

 

The Lefty American's agree with you on climate change, those on the right completely understand it more than you think. It could very well be a warming caused by humans, but the fix for it being pushed by progressives, green lobbyists, and globalists is nothing but a scam. Their one and only solution is carbon taxes that will only go to their favored technologies. Studies show that the cost of these taxes will far outweigh the slight gain and may even be worse.

 

It is undoubtedly arguable that carbon dioxide is the trigger of the whole, so the gas, which we blow with the combustion of fossil fuels in bulk in the atmosphere.
Sure, I also know that even that is doubted, because it should be any sunspots or anything even a natural, geological history process because of ice age and warm period etc.
Sorry ... may be that there are such minor influences, but to take with these arguments, the carbon dioxide from the dock is ridiculous!

The goal is therefore to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions considerably and the big question is of course the "how"!
For this "how" one needs indisputably working, practicable and equivalent alternatives to the carbon dioxide-depleting "things" and that are not really present so far. With my car, I come for about 600km with a full tank of gasoline. Although electric motors are slowly discovering this range with a charge, but ... if my car has to be refueled, then I do it in 10 minutes and can drive 600km again, with an electric drive it takes hours, until the battery is charged.

And then we come exactly to a point where I agree with you in the core:

If I only use my car for the short distances to work, shopping and generally driving in the surrounding area, that's no problem with the electric motor ... because it's plugged in at night and the batteries are recharged in the morning. But if I go as usual by car about 1,000 kilometers on holiday to Poland (my wife is Polin), then I have a problem!
And then some eco-left want to tell me, I should travel by train ... I laugh myself dead! By car I am (without traffic jam) in 8 hours at the destination, by train and then in Poland with change and bus and everything else I am 18 hours on the way ... And of course still has to carry my luggage always with me, and have it not simply only in the trunk of my car until I arrive!