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To be clear: "antifa" is an adjective. Not a group.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Sep 17, 2020.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They have been working on something for some time now. But nothing like what Trump said. Definitely no injection. I believe they propose to do it through the trachea. And it is years away from them even having something to test in humans. So it will be of no use during this pandemic. If ever... because the amount of light needed would almost certainly produce a cancer in a human subject.

    Not something I would invest in, anyway....
     
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    All of them are anarchists
     
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    Mine would say Antifa is no better than the brown shirts, and certainly would be sickened at the sight of Americans destroying the businesses of other hard working Americans. That entire generation would certainly be right wing by today’s standards.
     
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    Clearly not true, as shown by the Battle of Cable Street. Today's right wingers, so easily herded by Trump tosh, really should be ashamed of their lack of solidarity.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    To be clear: "antifa" is an adjective. Not a group.

    Or it can be a noun

    John has anti-fascist beliefs - adjective
    John is an anti-fascist - noun
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you even know what the word "anarchist" means?

    I didn't think so...
     
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    Antifa acts in a fascist way - using violence to achieve political goals. The brown shirts were certainly violent. BLM has a bit of fascism in its behavior as well. Their goals are different but their methods are similar.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Read the OP
     
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    Utter drivel. You may not accept their tactics, but antifa apply Popperian paradox of tolerance; explaining why multiple groups look up to important events such as the Battle of Cable Street. That represented a turning point in fascist support in pre-WW2 Britain.
     
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    Hadn't considered Popperian paradox whatever that is. If you prefer to call them terrorists instead of fascists that is fine with me. Either way they use violence to achieve political goals.
     
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    The word, "Deplorable," is an adjective. But you wouldn't know it by the way that the Left has pushed it.

    deplorable

    de·plor·a·ble
    (dĭ-plôr′ə-bəl)
    adj.
    1. Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach: a deplorable act of violence.
    2. Lamentable; woeful: My finances were in a deplorable state of neglect.
    3. Wretched; bad: deplorable housing conditions in the inner city.
     
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    How can you judge them if you haven't even bothered to understand the underlying philosophy? It perhaps accounts for your ridiculous stance where you call anti-fascist fascist and then show no comprehension of what fascism really means.
     
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    I'm not interested in their underlying philosophy. I want to see them jailed. I called their behavior fascist because, like the Nazi brown shirts, they use violence to achieve political power. I will call them terrorists if you prefer.
     
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    Indeed. And that is why you are making such painfully illogical comment.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's a very good example. The fact that Trump is surrounded by people who are deplorable doesn't mean that all Trump loyalists are deplorable. Or that "Deplorables" is some sort of group. Just like all antias don't think the same nor are they a group.

    A more appropriate name for that group, would be "The Trump Mafia". Which is composed of Trump, a large part of his immediate family, and all the surrogates who have gone or will go to jail when Trump leaves the presidency.

    Thanks....
     
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    Statements like that is why no one takes you seriously. You can't possibly know what I do and do not know.
     
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    The European origins of the movement really have no bearing in American politics. Americans to date have not embraced fascism in any significant way, that was a European thing.
     
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    Of course it does. It is a crucial part of philosophy adopted by different groups. And, by the definition of fascism, antifa has failed in the US!
     
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    They were never needed. Despite the division the political parties try to create, nearly all of the crime in the US has nothing to do with extremism from either party. We do not need a group of hooded thug extremists running around engaging in anarchy looking for racists - especially in Portland of all places.
     
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    That's your opinion; fortunately its not one shared by many. Folk often sit on their hands whilst fascism runs amok. Its happened repeatedly in history...
     
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    The OP is engaging in an argument that is purely and completely semantic in nature. Using the definition of words, the OP is trying to convince someone that Antifa is an adjective and not a group while ignoring the reality of the facts that exist in what I like to call "the real world".

    Antifa is a group because they behave like a group. They pretend like they do not have centralized direction but the facts argue otherwise. Antifa spends one night in Southeast Portland committing arson, looting, and assaulting police officers and they all show up. The next night, they commit arson and smash windows of small business owners near the Police Union headquarters. The riot starts on schedule and they all show up. The next night they assault conservative reporters in the Pearl District. They all show up and they are all at the riot on time. After their evening of committing criminal acts, they show up at the same craft microbrew pub, sipping fruit flavored beers and wondering why they are exactly as white as the Ku Kux Klan. They all show up at the same pub at the same time and they all leave the same tip; zero.

    Antifa is a group because they act like a group. They aren't acting like an adjective.

    If you do not believe me, come to Portland. I will let you stay at my spare bedroom. We will go downtown and you will see exactly what Antifa is all about. Pro Life Tip, don't wear a red hat when you go downtown. If you do, it may cost you your life. True Story.
     
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    Antifa is not a group and has never been a group. It is comprised of numerous groups, all under the anti-fascist banner. Not sure what advantage there is in spreading misinformation (unless you're Trump)...
     
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    Ha ha... The Flynn situation has brought about some serious RBG KARMA.


    I'll leave that up to folks like Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Amy Klobuchar who are the real piecats...

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...gn-volunteer-of-shoving-verbal-assault-961349

    https://splinternews.com/everyone-is-getting-the-amy-klobuchar-story-wrong-1832561310
     
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    So what? Scumbags are scumbags whether they call themselves a "group" or not.
     
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    Do you believe in unicorns?
     
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