To liberals: How many deaths are acceptable to you?

1) Because America does not regulate its mentally ill

2) Because Americans consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply

3) Because other countries regulate their drugs better when they prescribe them

4) Because mixing opioids and SSRIs has proven to be disastrous

If you'd quit lying and check ALL the provided links (as if the mainstream gets it right every time) and be sensible, you would not have had to ask those questions.

I don't rely on Infowars.... Hell, I don't even read it. Many times Alex Jones steals from think tanks I rely on, but, I think you'd fail at trying to tie me to him.

 

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?"

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" (1973)

You sounded like an apologist for Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler. So, we can give it some balance.

 

Actually, that is more in line with your ideals.

 

You wish. You're the guy advocating their solutions, not me.

 

Not so buddy - you obviously missed where I have previously posted that I am a past member of the NRA.

Check mate ...

 

It is disgusting and sickening to say the liberals are using the deaths of those poor children to 'push an agenda.' It is not about politics or an agenda. It is about making a safe world for our children and for other innocent people. Those with an agenda are the pro-gun people, clinging to their violent toys no matter what happens to school children or other innocent people, thinking such deaths are just collateral damage to their god: the gun. They cling to it and worship it more intensely than any other god has ever been worshipped.

I think the only way to stop the carnage is to lock up all the gun nuts in insane asylums, and then we will finally be free. They are the most mentally ill people in the country.

 

I am not a lib, but...none is obviously the answer.

Now answer my question...how many innocent Americans have to be gunned down in mass shootings before you agree to limit gun availability?

And it's not just banning assault rifles...that won't stop these (Though it would probably have prevented the Las Vegas killer). The Virginia Tech killer murdered over 30 people with just two, semi-automatic handguns. It's the easy access to guns to mentally disturbed people that is the primary problem, IMO...not just what type of gun they can buy.

 

Big deal. I am a FORMER lobbyist for the NRA. I pulled out when Harlon Carter told Georgia Congressman, Ed Jenkins they would still support him if he voted for a gun control bill. Then there was Charlatan Heston supporting Sarah Brady. They aren't much of a pro-gun group.

 

B.S. You just advocated doing nothing about the drug problem in America. You get all self righteous when you are among those who do not want to stop the carnage. All you care about is political propaganda... lock up gun owners. What a joke!

 

Australian Gun Stats
Statistics do not demonstrate that crime rates in Australia have increased substantially since the government instituted a gun buy-back program in 1997.
https://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

 

The government does not have de jure authority to limit gun availability. So, you might have to do better. Do cars cause people to be killed in DUI accidents?

 

Did you lobby for NRA when it supported the Mulford Act? That organization hurt its credibility when it supports police killings of innocents and demands that good Americans like the Black Panthers be disarmed.

 

A quote from your own source:

." Much of that debate focuses on the fact that the gun death rate in Australia was already decreasing prior to the time the NFA was introduced:..."

Moral: It don't take gun control to reduce the deaths.

 

https://www.economist.com/news/unit...icle-unfortunately-america-seems-unable-solve
There have been no school shootings in CT, WY, ND, NY, VT or NH according to the Economist. What is done differently in these states?

 

Are you for real? You're talking about legislation over half a century ago. And I don't give any cop a free ride to shoot innocent people. NO EXCEPTIONS. I realize they get away with it which is why we need the Second Amendment.

 

I didn't mention anything about drugs? Are you on something or what?

 

Where do you get your information from? No school shootings in CT? Connecticut requires training, background check and permitting requirements for the purchase of firearms... and Lanza did his deed with legally purchased weapons. Those SSRIs keep getting in the way of this argument.

 

So you say we should disarm the cops and arm the citizenry?

That's what I have said all along.


Then get the hell out of all foreign wars, end all foreign tax shelters, close all military bases, and no standing army. Just like our Founders demanded.

Agree?

 

With at least six people posting anti-gun B.S and the pro-gun guys in bed, I am on a roll. The subject of drugs being the root cause of the problem has been being discussed for the last thirty or so posts. Where were you? Just making irresponsible posts without reading what is being talked about?

 

Those are extreme measures, but unlike your criticisms of me, I will not say it's not worthy of taking to the table and seeing what comes of it. It's when you asked for an extreme measure like you ask for against an extreme measure that the powers that be have in place that you reach a compromise.

 

Did seat belts and air bags eliminate ALL traffic fatalities??? If we can't implement a PERFECT solution, why try at all???

. . . . And dead kids aren't an EXCUSE for pushing an agenda. . . . They're a moral, rational, and painfully necessary justification for CREATING an agenda.

Ignoring a problem won't make it go away.

 

I replied to a specific post not 30 posts. You don't run this thread or this forum.

 

Did you have a look at the graph? It's quite interesting. Obviously there are other minor influences in play.

 

If you draw a gun, or weapon on a cop, you should expect to end up dead. The second amendment doesn't help in that situation.

 

I stand on principle - one created by our Founders. That will solve the problems created in this society by the deluded far right.