Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump

Read the Constitution: Who has the authority to declare war?

No matter how much trumpers want a king, it isn't going to happen.

 

I would support an illegal nuke at these 'card member services' asshats that spoof my phones every damn day.

 

And today, who would that be?

 

The problem is clowns like Corker, McCain, Bush, etc. who are needlessly causing fear and anxiety in order to further pile disrepute on top of Trump....who isn't going to wake up feeling like nuking N. Korea one morning.
And garbage threads like this one accelerate that process as do this general who says he won't help Trump bomb the Koreans in an unprovoked fashion.

It's not Trump we need worry about but the people who have mentally scrambled themselves in fear of Trump.

 

I think Obama want a king more than Trump want a king

 

We aren't talking about Congressional Authorization of war.

Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution: The President shall be Commander in Chief

On January 23, 2009, just three days into his presidency, President Obama authorized his first kinetic military action: two drone strikes, three hours apart, in Waziristan, Pakistan, that killed as many as twenty civilians. Two terms and 540 strikes later, Obama leaves the White House after having vastly expanding and normalizing the use of armed drones for counterterrorism and close air support operations in non-battlefield settings—namely Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia.

Congress has declared war on none of these nations. Are you arguing that all these drone strikes were illegal?

 

What is a provoked first strike?

 

Check and see how Obama destabilized the Middle East and the resulting problem of ISIS and Syrian refugees.
There's the real problem in the world while thumbs in their asses leftists all shout about Trump. Disgusting!

 

If you go through the full remarks of Hyten rather than just the Fake News money clips, you can get a sense of what he’s talking about. He points out that his is primarily an advisory role in such dire circumstances rather than some sort of ultimate arbiter of the decision. He doesn’t say that he would flatly refuse a direct order from the Commander in Chief, but rather that he would point out legal realities and open a dialogue about possible options, trusting in the President to listen to his counsel and take those concerns into account.

All enlisted men and women who enter the military take an oath which states that they will, “obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Of course, the General is an officer and they take a slightly different oath without the line about obeying the President and the officers above them, instead pledging to, “faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.”

For the most part, this means that the President has a free hand. He’s supposed to take advice and consider options offered by his military advisors, but in the end, he makes the decisions and the military follows his orders. All the way down the line it’s the same in all but the most extreme circumstances. So long as you are following the orders of a superior, they take the responsibility for the fallout. Granted, if you are ordered to do something obviously illegal and immoral, you have the option of refusing and you might be off the hook once an investigation is completed. But the military frowns on independent thinking because it only remains functional if people follow orders.

The subject of nuclear engagement is something of a special case, of course, and Hyten is correct in saying that the top brass undergoes training for what to do in such worst case scenarios. But even if he strongly disagrees with the President’s decisions, note that he more commonly refers to “resisting” an order rather than “refusing” it. He’s been in this game a long time and well knows that it would be a virtually unique situation where he could consider defying the decisions of the Commander in Chief.

There were plenty in the military, from the top to the bottom, who didn’t much care for Jimmy Carter as Commander in Chief. But you know what? They followed every one of his damned orders to the letter. And our military today will follow the orders of Donald Trump. Take it to the bank.

This was a hypothetical conversation which probably never should have been taken up on the public stage. And it’s almost entirely being used as a tool to paint the President in a bad light rather than any serious discussion of foreign policy or military procedures.

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/19/difference-military-refusing-resisting-nuke-order/

 

Trump is a psychopath who's unstable.

The aggressiveness of his tweets proves it every day.

He fired 75% of is advisers and only tolerate people who flirt with his ego.

He is by far the most dangerous leader of all democracies.

 

An order is issued to launch a nuclear first strike on another nation absent any imminent threat that will result in the deaths of millions of civilians.

In what world would that not be illegal?

 

Filing this post away next time you claim any kind of moral superiority over liberals.

 

Clearly you don't understand the concept of Chief Executive...

 

Intelligence reporting shows preparations for an imminent first strike being prepared by another country. That would result in a pre-emptive provoked first strike.

 

Obama: Operation Fast and Furious - an attempt to undermine the Constitution.

Bill Clinton orders a cruise missile strike on an aspirin factory in the Middle-east and kills a janitor to divert growing attention from his bj in the Oval Office.

Okay, let's talk about mental stability and illegal orders.

 

Depends on what the target is.

 

No it doesn’t. The only justifiable reasons to use nuclear weapons in the modern world are in retaliation to a nuclear attack or to pre-empt an imminent nuclear attack.

 

Our 'intelligence' reports suck.

They are clueless and deeply politicized, yet you want to grant them the ability to bind the hands of our Duly elected Commander in Chief?

They missed the Arab Spring.
Totally missed North Korean leader Kim Jong Il’s death.
They missed Pear Harbor.
They blew The Bay of Pigs
US Intelligence concluded that the Soviets were unlikely to establish offensive missiles in Cuba in a report issued a month before the Cuban Missile Crisis.
US Intelligence missed the Tet offensive.
http://books.google.com/books?id=9IsYIhP_8G4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
US Intelligence was blindsided by The Yom Kippur War
On the day the war began, a National Security Council memo noted that Soviet advisers had been evacuated from Egypt and that Israel was anticipating an attack because of Egyptian and Syrian military movements, but added that U.S. intelligence services “continue to downplay the likelihood of an Arab attack on Israel” and “favor the alternative explanation of a crisis in Arab-Soviet relations.”
In August 1978, six months before the U.S-backed Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi fled Iran, the CIA infamously concluded that “Iran is not in a revolutionary or even a pre-revolutionary situation.”
US Intelligence completely missed The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan
US intelligence was taken by complete surprise when the Soviet Union fell.
The missed the Indian Nuclear test that announced a brand new nuclear power in the world.
They missed the 9/11 attacks.
They blew the assessment on Iraq's WMD

 

Yes that would be the US National Security Council.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Security_Council

 

Ironic they will call others hateful.

 

I disagree

 

It can be a pain, but I report them to the Do Not Call list all the time.

 

So then we need to nuke everyone in the world right now because we have no idea if they might be preparing to nuke us, yes?

 

Nothing that comes out of CBS news should be surprising. And nothing that comes out of those afflicted by Trump Derangement Syndrome should be surprising as well. Funny stuff.

 

That's funny. Wow.