Trump: ‘Republicans will not be voting’ if 2020 fraud isn’t ‘solved’

Sorry, I was unclear - every elected Republican

 

I'm on pretty solid ground thanks, I don't believe in either Big Lie.

 

That was then


This is now

 

Besides, let's say all that tightening of election laws happens. And let's assume Trump runs in 2024 and loses. Do you honestly think he'll then accept defeat and say the election was fair?

 

Can I ask you then, why do you think so many people on the right believe Trump's claims about the election?

 

He's trying to get election laws changed, and he is quietly succeeding in swing states. Newsflash to Democrats. This is how you get your swing district politicians to represent you, and not sit on the fence with the opposition. You threaten to yank their base. And they have to comply in order to keep their political career. I'm willing to bet that was the context, because I know of the Democrat parties propensity to lie about everything and anything if it denigrates Trump. I don't know if this story is legitimate given that there is no source provided, but do these jabronis really think Republicans aren't showing up? We've been talking about the 2022 elections ever since Biden took office.

Its early cause Trump made a statement, but every cycle Democrats put out these stories. They write a story about the changing viewpoints in the mormon community, and another one about Republican women being turned off by GOP policies. Their so lazy, they probably have the pieces written up. They just insert some new information. It's a clown show. What Republicans should remember is that Trump got 74 million votes for him, and Democrats got an impressive 81 million cause they constantly threw dirt at Trump. But now even D+8 polls have Biden's approvals 9 points underwater.

 

no i would expect that he would claim fraud again, and if the left has been blocking measures to make the elections more secure then why would his supporters not believe him? well armed supporters I might add..

How is making the election process more secure and transparent a bad thing?

 

Personally speaking? I think many people are upset at the result, and still can't fathom how even though the vote total increased(by a few million) for Trump compared to his 2016 elections, that Biden ended up with a much higher voting total. Although, from a mathematical equation standpoint, as the country gets bigger, the population voting slice will too. So Biden's "record" will be very shortly lived. It's the same thing as HRC's "50 points ahead" comment, it's simply ignoring the reality on the ground in favor of a preferred interpretation. Which is a very human thing to do.

There's also the fact that coronavirus aside(and media hysterics aside), we did not face an inflation crisis from 2016-2020. Indeed, on this we can say the Trump economic team was 10-20 x more successful than the Biden team has been. Which is the same thing on foreign policy, when Trump's foreign policy people basically told them not to screw with things. Biden of course chose to do exactly that.

So it's a combination of not wanting to believe it and the end result that Trump was just better than Biden. Trump didn't have a vaccine, hell far from it, he was accused of "pushing it for the elections". Biden's easily one of the top 5 worst presidents in US History, and we've just gotten started.

 

LOL.. no they don't.... 2/3 of the military might be what is formally known as conservative (and I would question 2/3), but very few in the military would support what happened on 1/6, or other futile right wing exercises...

 

The answer is ridiculously simple, but those that believe that T**** was a good POTUS don't have a hope in hell in understanding it...

 

I wrote, "the first step" is for republicans to repudiate Trump's lies. The silence of elected Republicans is what has allowed this lie to gain such traction. I can't comment on what I think should happen with the election laws because I just don't know enough about it - only the spin both sides puts on it - but regardless, if Trump cries "fraud" in 2024, and his party is with him, his base will probably believe him. So that's the fundamental problem in my view - the cowardice of elected Republicans. That Trump's own officials said the last election was the most secure in history, suggest election laws are less the problem.

 

Thanks. I think what surprises me is that Trump's claims are so scattershot and at times so ridiculously exaggerated, I find it hard to believe anyone swallowing it. But indeed, it's very human to deny reality.

 

The previous common wisdom is that making voting harder for people worked for Republicans, since they were generally considered the more determined voting group.

I suggest that is no longer the case.... I find it a bit ironic that the man who set out to destroy Democracy might actually end up strengthening it... although destroying it is still a possibility...

 

Cause they complain every time Republicans want to implement voter ID laws or investigate elections. There's also been a bunch of stories about Democrat election workers filling out fraudulent ballots. Then there's the whole issue with the observers being ejected in 2020, and claiming there were not allowed to observe the votes (even Democrats signed affidavits). And cause we don't trust you. The Hunter Laptop is a perfect example of Democrats across the political and multimedia spectrum censoring and denying authentic evidence of criminally corrupt activities implicating the President through the acts and inappropriate contacts with his son.

I've thought the Democrats were committing election fraud ever since I worked for their campaigns and third party organizations in New Jersey. New Jersey is a perfect state to study voter fraud and corruption that's existed all the way back to when the mob controlled the government construction contracts and union vote. It was by no means just the Democrats Essec County, but also the Rhino Republicans in Monmouth and Cumberland. There was a great site called NJPolitics that would routinely report voter fraud and bribery scandals. One of the non-caucasian politicians in New Jersey that was involved in dirty politics was Sharpe James who was constantly accused of voter fraud, corruption, and utilizing government workers to attack his political opponents. There's a documentary about Sharpe James campaigning against Cory Booker for Newark Mayor, and they got footage of campaign workers committing fraud and police officers pulling Cory Booker signs from lawns. They cited businesses with Booker signs and I think they shut power to Booker his campaign headquarters on or before election day. They even told black voters that Cory Booker was "racist cracker".

 

LOL.. the vacuum of talkingpointsmemo strikes again. The facts don't support your assertion. Next.

 

Democrats say that those laws are intended to disenfranchise poorer voters.

I can't respond to your anecdotes. I just know that studies of voting fraud say it is exceptionally rare. You think they're wrong?

 

By calling others delusional, is solid ground

 

This has nothing to do with Democracy for you. Your whole motivation for changing the law is that you think you'll have a better chance of winning, and you're actually making an argument that keeping legitimate voters from exercising their rights benefits Democracy. This is just another example of a Democrat demonstrating the same malicious intent they project on Republicans. Not that there aren't Republicans that see this as a way to win, cause I know that lazy BS line argument is coming. It's not Trump that's trying to destroy democracy. It's you. lol.

Even when I was Democrat I always believed that there should be Voter ID laws. It just made sense that people were committing voter fraud. People defraud the government for social security over the course of decades. There's a whole international industry of fraudsters that have a Federal or State(s) government sending checks overseas. And there were thousands of young black people that worked for the Democrat Party organization in New Jersey, and they all had ID. They couldn't work there if they didn't.

 

Poor people probably need to get jobs, and they need identification to work. Either 18, 19, 20, 21. And I honestly couldn't care less if someone that young can't vote. People don't mature until 25. They aren't even thinking about politics. Many don't know about social security, 401Ks, trade, infrastructure, military history, socioeconomics of environmental science, corporate tax, or work ethic unless it relates to their life. But they don't even understand the student loans that directly impact their future economic success. I was an idiot at 18, and bigger dummy at 21. Chances are you were also somewhat preoccupied with the frivolous. Yet engaging in politics probably gave us some sort of general knowledge about the way government and society function. The brain doesn't fully mature until the age of 25 and sometime later. This isn't an argument for increasing the voter age.

I simply believe that an ID should be required to vote.

 

I am mainly curious why people believe Trump's fraud claims. Assume that the laws are universally changed, Trump runs in 2024, loses and claims fraud; do you think republicans would still believe him?

 

“Republicans Won't Vote in Midterms, 2024 Election if 2020 Fraud Isn't Solved”

“Former President Donald Trump believes Republicans will sit out the 2022 midterms and the 2024 presidential election, of which he may be a contender, if the fraud he believes occurred during the 2020 election isn't solved."

“Trump has been pushing that he rightfully won the 2020 presidential election since the race was called for Biden and has been critical of legislators and judges who don't back the belief as well. He has yet to prove widespread fraud occurred that would have changed the outcome of the election and on Wednesday, he railed against a Georgia judge who dismissed a fraud suit.”

“In a statement, Trump denied that little evidence has been produced to prove he's the rightful winner of the presidential election, saying that they've "thoroughly and conclusively documented" it. He added that Republicans will withhold their votes in 2022 and 2024 if the election fraud isn't "solved." He added it is the "single most important thing for Republicans to do."

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-...solved-1638730

So if Republicans do vote in next year’s elections, which they will, and again in 2024, does that then mean that the supposed election fraud was solved, or, that there never was any fraud to solve?

 

There are so many things wrong here, imo.
This "us vs them, two sides against each other, my way or the highway, one way or the other, your side/my side" type of thinking is what is toxic, no matter who it resides in.
I don't think there are many out there, or here, that are wishing for a civil war or insurrection. The only ones would be the extremists at the far ends, as they are the ones who tend to espouse the good vs evil concept.
And I hate to break it to you, it wouldn't be as one sided as you might want to believe. Trust me on that.

 

Thank you! I knew if we debated long enough we would find some common ground! lol

 

I admire his ability to manipulate the opposition into working for him free of charge. Reps wont be voting, so you guys got this locked in. He thanks you bigly for your help. This is yuge!